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Old August 9th, 2012, 05:37 PM
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D110 Kit Car?

I can't help but wonder... why would a guy be able to buy a newly made 110 frame, build up a truck, and then title it as a kit car?

Seems reasonable, right?

Steps to Getting a Colorado Assigned VIN for a homemade car...
  • The first rung is having the vehicle inspected by a law enforcement official. This official will also fill out a form DR2365 which directs the emissions assessor on how to check the vehicle. The inspection fee is $20. Call your title and registration office for a referral list. While you have them on the phone, double-check whether the inspector will have the DR2365 form, or if you need to stop by the office and grab one. You will not find the form online.
  • Once the number is assigned you will take it and the completed DR2365 form to an emissions testing technical center operated by the Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE). For information or an appointment, call (303) 744-2442 (and press 3).
Passing the emissions test (if necessary) is the final step required to prepare the vehicle for titling and registration. From here, the process is pretty much the same as with other vehicles. Expect a $9.50 titling fee.
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Old August 9th, 2012, 05:42 PM
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Sure. Feds think you are a manufacturer though.
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For just 1 build?

But... One Tim's Got No Case?

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Coming outta Washington state
Cops don't like my profile
Cause Hans O'Matic kicks much style

So the man is on my trail
He wanna take ]-[ @ n $ to jail
If he does, I'll make the bail
Cause I know alot of rich females

I'm shakin' 'em just like this
Keepin' that one-ten in fifth
King County cops don't quit
Even when a young honkey's legit

So they follow me wherever I go
I hear 'em on the radio
With a scanner that I bought from the sto'
Cause a cracker like ]-[ @ n $ gotta know

I'm checkin' them cops with radar
They don't believe I'm a desk star
That my brain ain't chopped in a blender
An I'm ready when I'm in my Defender

I know they wanna spray me with mace
Cause my trunk keeps pumpin' much bass
But they best get outta my face
Cause one-times got no case, give it to me

One-times got no case

The police think I'm movin' them Ki's
They trip cause I clock much D
They pull a gat an' they yell out "Freeze!"
I'm whippin' out my I.D.

My Sig sits under my seat
The cops throw me out in the street
They found my gun like thieves
Officer Friendly has got a new beat

So I show him my gun permit
I told him I roll legit
Give me a test to see if I'm drinkin'
They claim my breath was stinkin'

They had me walk on the line
I walked backwards stopped on a dime
My female just reclines
Cause she knows I know the time

I'm hip to the cop procedure
They get ya everytime they see ya
They stop ya, they cuff ya
They roll ya an' they rough ya

They ask what I do for a livin'
Should this information be givin'?
This is what keeps me driven
Some cops want a honky in prison

So I got me a few attorneys
Just in case a cop wanna burn me
They protect me from the state
Cause one-time's got no case, break it on down

One-times got no case

A cop asks me "What's my name, and don't lie"
And I'm askin' officer "Why?
Why ya wanna messin vanilla like this
When you know I'm livin' legit?"

The cop said "Don't get smart.
I tear soul-honky apart"
I said "Well take off your gun, if you wanna get done
An' I'll show you that I ain't the one"

The cop rolled up his fist
Puts the handcuffs on my wrists
Then he threw a straight jab and he missed
A female cop pulls up and she's pissed

But this cop had K-9
A creamy sister, yes she's fine
I said "Won't ya help vanilla outta bind?"
But that badge was going to her mind

So she stuck a billy club in my back
She said "Don't think because you're big
That I won't beat you", crack, "hit you with the Sig"
Her partner starts to laugh

Oooh, hit 'em again. Hit 'em again.

So they took me on down to the jail
P.L.B. came to pay my bail
Then we called Goldstein and Claire
Them's my lawyers
Walkin' up the stairs

To the courtroom dressed in suits
'Bout to give a couple cops the boot
So the female cop takes the stand
Took her oath with the wrong damn hand

My lawyers ate her up like catfish
The other cop pleads the fifth
She lost her job
I seen a few tears on her face

Sorry baby, one-time's got no case
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Old August 9th, 2012, 06:15 PM
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Per the letter of the law, yes. Somehow everyone still does it. I looked at a kit car lotus 7 titled in PA.
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For just 1 build?

But... One Tim's Got No Case?
rotfl...that was pretty funny.
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Old August 9th, 2012, 09:14 PM
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Actually a lot of States have guidelines to build a car from parts. If you have a in with the DMV and on a good day everything works great. The truck, however would never be worth as much as it wouldn't have a true Defender title, Apples to Apples, so to speak. But I am sure that you could argue differently. Now in real life if you were to build one from scratch you would be spending a whole heck of a lot of money to do it. I have found it is cheaper to find a good used one and do a restoration on it. My 2 cents.
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Old August 9th, 2012, 09:32 PM
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There was a "1993 arles blue 110" truck that rovertrader on this board originally built years ago as a kit car from parts in NC, and it was for sale for 40 something (if I'm remembering correctly) out of Oregon just a few months ago.
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Old August 10th, 2012, 09:05 AM
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I don't understand this either. They've been building cobras almost since Shelby stopped making them. Why would a 110 be much different? The reasons for the cobra demise back in 68 are largely the same as the defender - safety regs.
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You answered your own question...they stopped making Shelby's. The signal flags go up when they look to see if it still being manufactured
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Old August 10th, 2012, 09:55 AM
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You answered your own question...they stopped making Shelby's. The signal flags go up when they look to see if it still being manufactured
So the DC100 may actually be our saving grace ? After all, at that point they will stop making Defenders!
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Old August 10th, 2012, 10:11 AM
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You answered your own question...they stopped making Shelby's. The signal flags go up when they look to see if it still being manufactured
Maybe. I thought the AC ace continued in some form for a while?

For US purposes, it's no longer here. There were kits based on vw bugs while they were still available. I can see your point though.
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So here is the loophole

http://www.epa.gov/oms/imports/kitcar.htm

Bottom entry. As long as you don't do it for resale, you are ok. Problem is that you would have to buy all parts, not an assembled vehicle that had a VIN. insert grey area
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Not gonna work for ya...the Defender is not offered as a "kit"...

" This policy applies to kits or assembled kit cars only. This policy does not apply to regular production vehicles offered for importation into or produced in the United States."

For the amount for of bullshit your gonna go thru, just buy a 25 year truck, import it, then restore it...it's the same amount of work
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Not gonna work for ya...the Defender is not offered as a "kit"...

" This policy applies to kits or assembled kit cars only. This policy does not apply to regular production vehicles offered for importation into or produced in the United States."

For the amount for of bullshit your gonna go thru, just buy a 25 year truck, import it, then restore it...it's the same amount of work
However, once they stop making the Defender (2015?) won't this then qualify?
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Old August 10th, 2012, 01:23 PM
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Not gonna work for ya...the Defender is not offered as a "kit"...

" This policy applies to kits or assembled kit cars only. This policy does not apply to regular production vehicles offered for importation into or produced in the United States."

For the amount for of bullshit your gonna go thru, just buy a 25 year truck, import it, then restore it...it's the same amount of work
"This policy does not apply to regular production vehicles offered for importation into or produced in the United States"

A defender is neither offered for importation into or produced in the US.
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They're not going to stop producing the Defender.
Modernise it-yes, modernise it's assembly-yes, improve on some of the weak areas-hopefully, and they'll also build a DC100-like vehicle as an additional Land Rover product.
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A defender is neither offered for importation into or produced in the US.


True, but isn't it still a problem that itís not a 'kit' (well not anymore) either? The first part of that mentioned that it applied to kits or assembled kits unless it was considered a production vehicle (which as you say itís not here in the US).

I could see it if you buy a sheet of birmabright and make some of your own body panels or a fiberglass body (such as a Dakar) to stick onto some parts from different vehicles you put together. But not if you buy a complete defender in parts and just reassemble it here in the US. Or am I missing something?

Also is the EPA the sole regulatory body for this? Doesn't the DOT and others come into play as well and have different rules on the definition of a kit that also have to be considered?
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I don't have DOT's position on kit cars handy.
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Your best of doing an ECR. Buy a base and build off that
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Everyone is always looking for a way through the regulations ... In my view there are plenty of options ... And that just depends on your own tolerance to the legal framework.

If you don't give a shit - Buy a VIN swap with no history
If you give a bit of a shit - buy a VIN swap where you know the history of the donor
If you want to bend the rules - buy a 25 year old with updated parts ( like one of Neil's women )
If you want to be totally legal - buy a NAS defender or 25 year old with age related parts.


This is not legal advice but basically a barometer for what kind of defender you should consider.
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