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Old March 5th, 2015, 09:13 PM
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D110 Cold weather diesel issues 300tdi

Hi, i'm new here. I have a diesel 110 and it was parked outside last night and was covered with some ice when I went to start it this afternoon. It started but made whining noises (belts?) but then had a funny smell and stopped. Did I miss something? Is there a do's/don'ts for starting diesels in very cold weather?
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Old March 5th, 2015, 09:16 PM
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is the coolant water or is it antifreeze ? did you open the hood and take a look ?
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Old March 5th, 2015, 09:18 PM
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Not enough information. Look at the serpentine belt and see if it is okay. Will it start again? Look and see if any pulleys are seized.
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Old March 5th, 2015, 09:30 PM
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Same sort of thing happened to me once. I opened the bonnet and saw the alt. was not spinning. Thought it had seized up. Then I noticed the ice on it. Turns out some snow had melted, dripped onto the alt. and then froze. Hot air gun sorted it out and was fine after that. Along with a new, non-leaky bonnet.

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Old March 5th, 2015, 09:49 PM
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Not sure what the coolant is. I'll check the serpentine, I would guess it was the one making the noise. I just hope I didn't screw something up bad. There was some smoke coming from under the hood that smelled like burned rubber now that I think about it. Maybe something seized. It idled slower than usual and then didn't want to run. I only ran it for about 2 minutes max
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did you open the hood and take a look ?
A very valid question.
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Old March 5th, 2015, 11:13 PM
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Not sure what the coolant is. I'll check the serpentine, I would guess it was the one making the noise. I just hope I didn't screw something up bad. There was some smoke coming from under the hood that smelled like burned rubber now that I think about it. Maybe something seized. It idled slower than usual and then didn't want to run. I only ran it for about 2 minutes max
My question was I was questioning if your engine and water pump had frozen due to not having adequate antifreeze. That would account for the noise, smell, and stall. Given how cold its going to be tonight you may have bigger problems.
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This may be the source of the whining you heard.
One cold morning (in the teens) I thought I'd start mine without using the glow plugs, it had been sitting out all night.
After about 20 seconds of cranking, I stopped BUT the starter motor continued to spin WITHOUT engaging the flywheel. Apparently the solenoid stayed engaged (due to magnetic flux) which allowed 12 volts to operate the starter motor without engaging the starter gear Bendix to the flywheel.

I plugged in the fuse to the glow relay, used the glow cycle & it fired right up as usual.

I'd been told that a starter can stay engaged by magnetic flux induction but had never had it happen to me before.
So even though you have turned the key off, the starter can become a "voltage generator" and keep the solenoid engaged. I think some old & sticky lube on the solenoid surfaces can contribute to this process by helping the solenoid not disengage. After reading up on this phenomenon, I also read that this magnetic field can be defeated by employing a inductive (flyback) diode (N1005) on the hot lead to the solenoid, wired to earth ground.

In the right conditions, this can cause the starter to remain engaged to the point of burning up the starter windings and completely fail.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_diode

This problem happens In Ford Mustangs too.
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This may be the source of the whining you heard. One cold morning (in the teens) I thought I'd start mine without using the glow plugs, it had been sitting out all night. After about 20 seconds of cranking, I stopped BUT the starter motor continued to spin WITHOUT engaging the flywheel. Apparently the solenoid stayed engaged (due to magnetic flux) which allowed 12 volts to operate the starter motor without engaging the starter gear Bendix to the flywheel. I plugged in the fuse to the glow relay, used the glow cycle & it fired right up as usual. I'd been told that a starter can stay engaged by magnetic flux induction but had never had it happen to me before. So even though you have turned the key off, the starter can become a "voltage generator" and keep the solenoid engaged. I think some old & sticky lube on the solenoid surfaces can contribute to this process by helping the solenoid not disengage. After reading up on this phenomenon, I also read that this magnetic field can be defeated by employing a inductive (flyback) diode (N1005) on the hot lead to the solenoid, wired to earth ground. In the right conditions, this can cause the starter to remain engaged to the point of burning up the starter windings and completely fail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_diode This problem happens In Ford Mustangs too.
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Old March 6th, 2015, 08:14 AM
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Great Scott!!! The time circuits must've malfunctioned!!
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I had a look at your ride with X-ray vision through a crystal ball and still can't see clearly under the hood.
Perhaps you could supply some better and more detailed info to get some reasonable answers.
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To the OP ... if you don't even know what coolant is you probably aren't qualified to accurately describe the problem and even less likely to be able to remediate it.

I would strongly suggest getting someone knowledgeable to take a look at your truck as there are many potential causes and solutions.
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probably a suspension issue ...

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thats a funny looking beagle
the heat from the turbo has shrunk it over last few days. give it a another tank of fuel and it'll be a purse size beagle, then it can be shipped in a usps medium box to 90210.
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Hi, i'm new here. I have a diesel 110...
All kidding aside, welcome and don't let all the shucking and jiving turn you off.
If you have issues and can analyze to provide info, people will do their best to help you from afar.

If you haven't done so already, get yourself a workshop manual and some good quality tools.
Read the manual and take on a few small jobs and work your way up to something bigger.
Self reliance is a wonderful thing that only brings on a self confident way of life.

A good start would be testing your glow plugs, then check your belts.
In cold conditions power steering will whine as well as belts.
If you have power steering make sure the reservoir is full, but don't overfill it.

Again welcome and best of luck with your new ride!
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