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Old August 14th, 2005, 08:49 AM
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converting to a hard top?

What is involved to convert a soft top to station wagon? Is it worth it?
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Old August 14th, 2005, 08:44 PM
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Alot - new roll cage is required. Is it worth it? Depends on what you are willing to spend to get there, or how good a deal you can find on the roll cage. There's no way, I am told, to modify the wagon top to fit over the ST roll cage.
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Old August 14th, 2005, 10:08 PM
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A new roll cage is not needed unless you want to have a cage. POEs did not have an internal cage. To bolt on a POE style hardtop you need the hardtop, the two little extentions to mount the cage to the hardtop, a rear liftgate, and a BUNCH of weird hardware.
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Old August 14th, 2005, 10:14 PM
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What is involved to convert a soft top to station wagon? Is it worth it?
I'll tell you if it's worth it if you tell me why are looking to do this.
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Old August 14th, 2005, 10:20 PM
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Yousef, maybe he doesn't want to have sleeting rain on him while on the trail
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Old August 15th, 2005, 06:57 PM
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I will be putting a hardtop on this winter.... There is a BUNCH of hardware, but overall it looks like a straight forward process.

Oh... and I'm doing it, cause I can!
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Old August 15th, 2005, 07:16 PM
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I've said it once and I'll say it again: I really wish somone made an aluminum hard top in place of the fiberglass model. For those who like to switch out tops, the fiberglass really doesn't hold up.
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Old August 15th, 2005, 10:25 PM
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Yousef, maybe he doesn't want to have sleeting rain on him while on the trail
Or perhaps he doesn't like the CO dust...
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Old August 16th, 2005, 01:16 AM
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Or perhaps he doesn't like the CO dust...
Having been up in Minnesota in the winter.... It get friggin cooooooolllldddddd!!!!

You're right though! I haven't cleaned mine out from the rally and I have a good inch or two of dusk from one trail!

Seriously though, I bought my aluminum HT from RN. Definitely could have bought one cheaper, but it came with everything I needed! AND depending how much/hard you drive it you could go without a cage for a short while at least. I think Craig Davis rolls with a HT without a cage....
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Old August 16th, 2005, 02:31 PM
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned this article: http://www.defendersource.com/mod/sw2st/index.htm

Just reverse the steps and voila...

But really, it seems a big project. I think the only plus is that finding the aluminum hardtop is easier than finding the roll cage from an ST. However, you won't find the roll cage they put on the factory hardtops. Unless someone did their own conversion to an ST.

It would be ideal to find someone relatively nearby who wanted to go from SW to ST. Then you would be golden.
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned this article: http://www.defendersource.com/mod/sw2st/index.htm

Just reverse the steps and voila...
On a another note, I assume the SW tops can be broken down like the fiberglass tops for storage?
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Old September 23rd, 2005, 11:15 AM
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Chris, It can Be. The Hard top is 3 pieces, I have a complete Euro Hard top for my truck and I have talked about this several times. If you dont mind unbolting your upper cage which will take about an hour or so, the Hard Top will bolt right up. You will then need a series style rear lift gate and the little hardware crap.

The next thing you have to figure is if you want to just bolt the front windscreen hoop to the top (a la POE style ) or just leave it off for the winter months while the top is on.

If you are just looking to keep the truck warmer for the winter, I would just leeve the front cage off and bolt the top up. As for me, Since I originally mocked up my truck with the HT. I never put it back on yet but this will be my first winter with the ST on. I will see how bad it is. lol.
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Old September 23rd, 2005, 11:29 AM
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Randy, cool, thanks. I have a SW now and was going to use all the parts from the 94 to do a SW to SW conversion (maybe). Was just wondering what to do with the SW top when I was not using it.
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Old September 23rd, 2005, 06:04 PM
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WHat are you going to do about the rear door Chris? It would look kinda silly with a SW door on a ST.
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Old September 23rd, 2005, 06:33 PM
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You got another truck Chris?
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Old September 24th, 2005, 12:40 AM
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WHat are you going to do about the rear door Chris? It would look kinda silly with a SW door on a ST.
?? I have an entire ST D90 sitting in Tonys backyard. Get the rear door repainted blue, slap it on the SW and off we go.

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You got another truck Chris?
Yes, I bought this one: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ead.php?t=6341
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Old September 24th, 2005, 10:05 AM
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Chris,

I would recommend getting a POE lift gate (or old series IIa lift gate) and using the ST rear door, this way you do not have to switch the rear door since it will work with both the soft top and hard top

Here is that setup @ ECR’s site.

http://www.ecrrox.com/ECR4top.html
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Old September 24th, 2005, 01:35 PM
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I think you mean Jacques. He is the one going ST to SW. I am lookign to do the opposite and have all the parts on the 2nd truck.
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Old September 25th, 2005, 12:47 AM
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I will be putting a hardtop on this winter.... There is a BUNCH of hardware, but overall it looks like a straight forward process.

Oh... and I'm doing it, cause I can!

Mike,

Where did you find the parts...and how much will it cost to convert?

Thanks,
Brian

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I've said it once and I'll say it again: I really wish somone made an aluminum hard top in place of the fiberglass model. For those who like to switch out tops, the fiberglass really doesn't hold up.

Agreed...the fiberglass top is a POS. The side pieces are always breaking on the corners because of the weight of the window glass. It should be fairly simple to construct a mold of some kind with the fiberglass pieces. I remember someone proposing the idea on the boards a while back...has anything come of it?

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Or perhaps he doesn't like the CO dust...
Especially in Eldorado Canyon...it's nasty back there in the summer
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Old September 25th, 2005, 11:34 AM
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I picked up everything from Rovers North. All said and done (top, Van sides, POE lift gate, hardware, and seals) for 3K. I KNOW i could have sourced it a lot cheaper but they sent everything at once and together... For me it was worth it. I actually called 'em the other day to find out the price, just to verify... still 3K.

If you opt that route, you'll be cageless. Which I guess if you're careful; shouldn't be to bad for the short run. I bought a Safety Devices internal cage; different, mind you, from the NAS internal cage.
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