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I kinda like the idea of a plastic grill like your mock one instead of aluminum. Will that be available?
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I kinda like the idea of a plastic grill like your mock one instead of aluminum. Will that be available?
Yes! I thought about that too. Problem is it won't be way cheaper than the al. It will be cheaper though.
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Where's the carbon fiber? Or for that matter, the diamond plate version?


Dave, just make the damn things. People will buy them.
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Offering a plastic option is not a bad idea!

What would you do it out of? Nylon?
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The plastic after some research is not looking like a good alternative. The price for good plastic like UHMW is high. And the surface prep to make them look good negates savings over PC. It doesn't even mill faster. I have no problem making it, but the difference in cost would be very little. Maybe $25.
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Update with some photos!

It needs a LOT of tweaks. But as far as a first shot goes kinda guestimating the fit, I am very happy with it. The width is great as far as outside. The extra .150 a side filled up the gap between the grill and headlight surrounds well. The holes themselves need to go wider across the profile. They also need to be a lot bigger. Well, not that much bigger as the space between them needs to be smaller. I think 3/4 will end up looking good.

The radius on the back needs to be fixed. That was misjudged by quite a bit. I want a tight fit and I think I can get it. We also have to do a little extra machining in the back to clear AC. But it's coming along. I won't go to production with something less than perfect.

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Random question (not that it applies to you guys), but will the overall dimensions of the grill remain exactly the same as stock? Reason I ask is that I fitted my Rovers North radiator muff to my Defender today and it made me think.
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Random question (not that it applies to you guys), but will the overall dimensions of the grill remain exactly the same as stock? Reason I ask is that I fitted my Rovers North radiator muff to my Defender today and it made me think.
i asked that question also a few posts ago.
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I like the suggestion to mill the holes in the shape of ovals. That would be genuinely LR and possibly reduce air flow drag. Regardless, I'm interested in one too.

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I like the suggestion to mill the holes in the shape of ovals. That would be genuinely LR and possibly reduce air flow drag. Regardless, I'm interested in one too.

Dennis
Are you looking to break the land-speed record in a Defender? I know that the drag coefficient on the grill must be waaaaay high and it probably significantly slowing down the hog .
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i asked that question also a few posts ago.
More or less. I want to make it .100 a side wider to fill the gap better between the headlight surrounds. Same height.
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More or less. I want to make it .100 a side wider to fill the gap better between the headlight surrounds. Same height.
What is the overall length it will end up being? For those of us with A/C (like me), the grill surround protrudes out so the gap between the headlight surrounds is a non-issue - but want to make sure it looks ok as a "stand-alone" unit (and that the fit doesn't go to far to the edge).
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What is the overall length it will end up being? For those of us with A/C (like me), the grill surround protrudes out so the gap between the headlight surrounds is a non-issue - but want to make sure it looks ok as a "stand-alone" unit (and that the fit doesn't go to far to the edge).
Thanks for mentioning that. I wouldn't have thought of it. The width I "like" is 30.75in wide. Can you check to see if that would work for you? I checked on some AC installed truck and didn't even notice the surround sticking out.

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Thanks for mentioning that. I wouldn't have thought of it. The width I "like" is 30.75in wide. Can you check to see if that would work for you? I checked on some AC installed truck and didn't even notice the surround sticking out.
Just measured mine, overall length of the grill surround is 30 3/8", and the grill is recessed 3/8" on each side (i.e. total grill width is around 29 5/8"). I'd say that as long as there is a 1/4" setback from the overall width of the grill surround it would look fine - but that would put the ideal grill width at 29 7/8" at a maximum (shorter than the proposed 30 3/4").

Also, for what it's worth, I measured my distance between headlight surrounds and I don't think I even have 30 3/4" between...looks to be more like 30 1/2" max. The grill surround is essentially the 30 1/2" at the base and comes to about 30 3/8" (it bevels just slightly as it comes out, and the corners/edges are rounded wich probably accounts for the difference).

Are we talking 2 different versions here, one for A/C and one for non-A/C trucks?
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Are we talking 2 different versions here, one for A/C and one for non-A/C trucks?

I can't find the pictures I used to have to demonstrate but there are 2 different types of 'AC Grill'. Extended and non-extended. NAS Trucks even with AC are non extended so the grill surround is almost flush with the fenders. On some ROW trucks the Grill is extended out to make room for the condensor and the front edge is nowhere near flush with the fenders. I don't think Buck's design would work very well with an extended type grill.
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I've got the extended version of the grill surround, which is what I've seen most of the time (I think with the exception of the NAS trucks all others with A/C are extended). I think the design would be fine with mine, but the width may be the issue. The other "food for thought" is butting the grill right up to the headlight surrounds wouldn't leave much room for flex, i.e. if you take it off the pavement things on these rigs invariably flex pretty significantly if you're going over rocks/obstacles/etc, and if there's not much room between the grill and the headlight surrounds may cause an issue.

Buck, let me know what your thoughts are...definitely would like to use on my 110 if possible but the overall width may be the main issue.
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Darn these trucks all to crap (trying to swear less).

Okay, the stock grill I have is 30 9/16 inch. Mine I made a tiny bit wider to better fill the front. I test fit it on 5 defenders. Some with and some without AC. It fit on all of them quite well with anough room to play with but look good. So the question is, are all the stock grills the same? I can make it exactly like stock, but I was kinda hoping to make it look like it was actually made for the truck it was on. lol.
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