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Old March 1st, 2014, 05:15 PM
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It's effing cold. Did I mention it's cold? Haven't started the 110 in a couple weeks. Battery seems fine, let the flow plugs go for a bit longer than normal but she won't catch. Thought? My first winter with a diesel.
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It's effing cold. Did I mention it's cold? Haven't started the 110 in a couple weeks. Battery seems fine, let the flow plugs go for a bit longer than normal but she won't catch. Thought? My first winter with a diesel.
Do you have winter diesel in it?
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Nope! But I assumed that when I filled up last month it was winter diesel.

I got it started with a few blasts of starter fluid.

Now, someone educate me on winter diesel and/or antigel treatments!

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you can do serious damage to a diesel with starting fluid.
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Nope! But I assumed that when I filled up last month it was winter diesel. I got it started with a few blasts of starter fluid. Now, someone educate me on winter diesel and/or antigel treatments! Thx!
Get a jug of diesel 911. Treat the tank. Also take your filter and empty it, fill it up with the diesel 911.

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you can do serious damage to a diesel with starting fluid.
Interesting. I have seen a lot of guys fire up diesel generators with a little bit of starter fluid. Not much though.
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Get a jug of diesel 911. Treat the tank. Also take your filter and empty it, fill it up with the diesel 911. ------ Follow up post added March 1st, 2014 07:15 PM ------ Interesting. I have seen a lot of guys fire up diesel generators with a little bit of starter fluid. Not much though.
I've seen the same thing in the military with big gennys. Uncle, share your wisdom. I have it a few squirts, can't imagine it killing much.
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Since you ask. Seeing some one do it to a government engine and doing it to your own are two different things. I advise against the monkey see monkey do line of thought. Ether is far more combustible than diesel. These are compression start engines. Ether will explode way too early on the compression stroke and the only thing keeping the engine spinning in the correct direction is you on the key. IE you are creating an explosion inside the engine well before tdc that it wasn't meant/designed to withstand. I have heard of head gaskets blowing,starters breaking, flywheel teeth stripping, injectors blowing out of the cyl head, etc. Especially dangerous in conjunction with glow plugs. In the end its your engine do with it as you will but you may want to read up on using ether starting fluid on diesels on google.
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Since you ask. Seeing some one do it to a government engine and doing it to your own are two different things. I advise against the monkey see monkey do line of thought. Ether is far more combustible than diesel. These are compression start engines. Ether will explode way too early on the compression stroke and the only thing keeping the engine spinning in the correct direction is you on the key. IE you are creating an explosion inside the engine well before tdc that it wasn't meant/designed to withstand. I have heard of head gaskets blowing,starters breaking, flywheel teeth stripping, injectors blowing out of the cyl head, etc. Especially dangerous in conjunction with glow plugs. In the end its your engine do with it as you will but you may want to read up on using ether starting fluid on diesels on google.
I see what you are saying. I used it only one time to start a lombardini generator of mine.
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I was an army mechanic a long time ago and "stupid operators" would love to spray quick start into my trucks and it just makes what ever problem worse. I can't say I ever noticed any damage to the engine, but the glow plugs always swelled and became hard to extract.

What we used to do on Hummers was to pull the glow plug controller and jump the glow plugs to the on position. We would cycle them manually for a bit and give it a go that way. Glow plug controllers failed a lot back then so bypassing them was key to a start.

Maybe you can come up with a glow plug cycling switch? I'm not sure what controls the glow plug function on land rovers but it may be worth looking into, at least making sure your glow plug system is healthy.
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a lot depends on engine design. The indirect engines ie pre tdi, don't do well. That said these small displacement engines are also easier to f'up/less forgiving than a large displacement detroit/cummins or cat. John Deere has some engines that start with a built in ether fog. They are a different design than your Rover.
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You are not supposed to use starter fluid with engines that have glow plugs. The plugs can light the fluid at the wrong part of the stroke and bend the rods. If you are going to use it disconnect the plugs first.
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Living in a -20deg; for the last 2 month or so, region and having no problems firing up my 200tdi I don't use eher but, that said, lots of farmers use it on their machineries. Don't seems to be bad for the engines nor causing any of the above describe.. I guess it all depends on the operator. And for what it worth, her's my two cents..: Tdi engine are dinausors in comparaison of common rails and other newer diesel engine, they are like old tractor and generator generation. I don't get how it is so bad to squirt a little. But hey what do I know :p
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Living in a -20deg; for the last 2 month or so, region and having no problems firing up my 200tdi I don't use eher but, that said, lots of farmers use it on their machineries. Don't seems to be bad for the engines nor causing any of the above describe.. I guess it all depends on the operator. And for what it worth, her's my two cents..: Tdi engine are dinausors in comparaison of common rails and other newer diesel engine, they are like old tractor and generator generation. I don't get how it is so bad to squirt a little. But hey what do I know :p
Just saying there is an associated price and perhaps you might want to educate yourself since your opinion isn't tied to reality.

"I'm sure you've heard a diesel hammer and knock when using starter fluid. The reason that happens is the starting fluid and compressed air is igniting (knock) in the cylinders way before it normally does before the piston reaches a few degrees before top dead center as it does with diesel fuel. There's no lubricant in starter fluid. Starting fluid is hell on the pistons connecting rods and crankshaft."

"gm 6.2's were known for puking head gaskets and cracking heads when ether was used"

"Most of the damage I've encountered when these engines are used with ether is cracked precombustion chambers. Most engines I've worked on that are IDI carry a warning label prohibiting the use of ether. It appears that internal pressures exceed the mechanical limits of these chambers when ether is used - even when the glow-plugs are disconnected or inoperative for other reasons. "
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Thx for the input, Uncle. Good reading ahead!
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I have to hold my glow plugs on for over 45 seconds (I assume they're not too great) and then I have a battery heater, diesel 911, and pump the pedal to get it to start. It usually starts but I only have one shot or the battery will die. I often have a jumper car ready to go too. The things we do for rovers...
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I had similar issues in Dallas on the random occasional sub freezing morning, with an old 97 ford f250. I wonder if there is a core heater for landy's that you guys can install. At least I think that is what some of the northern power strokes came with.
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My 2.5 NA was a mother to start during our mild Phoenix winters. I discovered that two of the four glow plugs were dead. I replaced them all and it started right up.
With that said I have never needed to use the glow plugs on the 200Tdi.
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I went to the garage this morning to see what I used for my generator. It does have a warning label for engines with glow plugs. My generator does not have a glow plug installed.

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I have to hold my glow plugs on for over 45 seconds (I assume they're not too great) and then I have a battery heater, diesel 911, and pump the pedal to get it to start. It usually starts but I only have one shot or the battery will die. I often have a jumper car ready to go too. The things we do for rovers...
You need a better battery. The NA motor like lots of glow. At -20 C, I would glow for a solid minute. It should crank fast at any temperature. I've cold started mine at -40.
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I have a freeze plug heater on my 300tdi and my V8. Both will turn over without it in neg temps but are much happier to start after being plugged in overnight.
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