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Old February 6th, 2016, 05:21 PM
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can you "rent" a bay with a lift at pep boys?
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Old February 6th, 2016, 08:43 PM
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can you "rent" a bay with a lift at pep boys?
hmm, maybe. Pep boys isn't big down here, there's only one and I don't know if they do that. Might have to look into it. Part of me wants to pull the engine since I have no history with the truck and it probably needs the rear main seal done anyway. Just sucks cuz this was my daily driver right now and don't really have the time for any of it!
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Old February 7th, 2016, 07:53 AM
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I'm with Dave, check the mechanism from pedal box.
I've had the pedal go to the floor. Can't recall if it was the master or slave that leaked. But since you still have fluid there that says to me they are ok.
Hope it's as simple as this.
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Old February 7th, 2016, 09:12 AM
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hmm, maybe. Pep boys isn't big down here, there's only one and I don't know if they do that. Might have to look into it. Part of me wants to pull the engine since I have no history with the truck and it probably needs the rear main seal done anyway. Just sucks cuz this was my daily driver right now and don't really have the time for any of it!
Had the same problem in our 110.
We replaced the clutch master and slave and the problem was fixed.
Am of the opinion that the fluid was leaking internally and causing the petal of stay down to the floor. This could have been caused by someone adding the wrong brake fluid that ate up the seals.
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Old February 7th, 2016, 02:26 PM
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Thanks Robert, certainly worth a try before doing anything more drastic.
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Old February 7th, 2016, 02:33 PM
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Have you pulled the top off the pedal box yet?
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Old February 8th, 2016, 09:43 AM
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I had a slave cylinder go(pedal to the floor, no previous symptoms) and replaced it with a (notso)proline because the LR unit was a week out and like the OP, it was my DD. The bleed screw didn't fit the tapped hole tightly enough to work. A hose into the fluid bottle was useless as it just sucked air around the screw. It required a long furious clutch pedal pump(stupid) which finally cracked the clutch plate and no doubt weakened the fork which went the following year cause I didn't do enough research and replace it with the clutch. Moral of the story--if it's the slave, get an original LR part. When my fork went it didn't budge but a 1/4" or so till solid.
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Old February 8th, 2016, 10:02 AM
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Bleed the slave before installing to the bellhousing. Hang it down straight from the flex line. You can then just open the bleed nipple and it will bleed by gravity. No fighting.

To Mike. You still need to look at the master then slave before deciding what is wrong. You do not want to pull the engine for nothing.
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Old February 8th, 2016, 02:11 PM
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Dave, since this is in the classic, the pedal box is the disco manual version. The mechanisms are under the dash and not in the engine bay like the defender, so I haven’t looked there yet, but I will. The pedal spring is fine, because the pedal still returns, although it doesn’t feel like there is any hydraulic pressure on it. John, the pipe from the damper to the slave is a hard pipe (as shown on the allbrit.de diagram), so it will be hard to gravity bleed. Whoever did the conversion also ran a hard pipe all the way from the master to the damper too, so there is not a flex line in the system. Might be a good time to put one in…

Still skeptical that it’s a hydraulic issue due to the fact that there doesn’t appear to be any fluid loss. Definitely going to pursue that before pulling the engine tho..
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Old February 8th, 2016, 02:15 PM
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No flex line makes me scared about the rest of the conversion.... That crimped line is something to suspect. Might be worth trying a quick bleed first. A real PITA without a flex line as you will need to open the hydrualics to pull the slave.
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Old March 1st, 2016, 03:00 PM
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Took the slave off yesterday. The rod moves in and out about like I would expect it to. I've attached photos of the range of motion of the rod. The only thing I wasn't sure about was the rod seemed to have some additional movement after going all the way, like pushing against a spring. Any thoughts? Doesn't seem like it would move properly if the fork had failed. At this point I am going to replace the slave and bleed it and see what happens.
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Old March 1st, 2016, 04:31 PM
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Old March 1st, 2016, 05:04 PM
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That is not a failed fork. With a failed fork the push rod will not stick out past the bellhousing.
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Old March 1st, 2016, 06:23 PM
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That is not a failed fork. With a failed fork the push rod will not stick out past the bellhousing.
Great news. Hydraulic stuff should be an easy fix then.
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Old March 5th, 2016, 08:26 AM
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I'm about 90% sure it's the master cylinder but now I have to figure how to get the pivot pin out of the clutch pedal. There is ZERO room under the dash. I can barely get my hand up there to feel the clip that holds the pin in place, much less release it. Anyone with a manual disco have any advice? I'm wondering if the whole pedal box assembly can be unbolted from the firewall to get access from the engine bay side?
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Old March 5th, 2016, 10:22 AM
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Unbolt the box...6 nuts. And pull it out from the engine bay side, you will need t pivot it to get the pedal through the hole in the bulkhead.

But you don't need to do that to swap out the mc?
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Old March 5th, 2016, 10:48 AM
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See post#29
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Old March 5th, 2016, 10:52 AM
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Got it....I didn't go that far back
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Old March 5th, 2016, 11:16 AM
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Not completely sure I understand the problem. The Discovery manual shows the master in the engine bay. Is a RRC different?
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Old March 5th, 2016, 11:23 AM
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The pivit bolt is in the cab, I have done many times. Push the seat all the way back , lay on the seat with your head in the foot well and you should be bob's your uncle.
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