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Old August 6th, 2009, 11:42 AM
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Can I leave the sway bars off?

I took the front sway bar off to seal of the cross seals and never put it back on. I swear the ride is better and thinking about getting rid of the rear one as well.

What am I risking with leaving them off? I really cant think of any cons....

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Old August 6th, 2009, 11:44 AM
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Covered before, but most Rest Of World (ROW) Defenders do not have sway or anti-sway bars.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 01:16 PM
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Mine are off, both front and rear. No issues.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 01:26 PM
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Old August 6th, 2009, 01:39 PM
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If you guys could see the roll oversteer numbers on the stock rover rear suspension, I think a lot of you would rethink running without a rear swaybar. The rear rover suspension is great in a few ways, don't get me wrong, but unless you are on a stock suspension with overstiff springs, it's monkey madness in corners.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 03:44 PM
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I took mine off to increase articulation but in hindsight I don't think the increase was all that worth it. I expected more. I'm running Med-Duty OME springs, btw.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 04:24 PM
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I thought it was a little scary with no sway bars, I am running the front.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 08:41 PM
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If you guys could see the roll oversteer numbers on the stock rover rear suspension, I think a lot of you would rethink running without a rear swaybar. The rear rover suspension is great in a few ways, don't get me wrong, but unless you are on a stock suspension with overstiff springs, it's monkey madness in corners.
Correct me if I am wrong, but these trucks seem very front heavy - at least my ST w/ ARB & winch does. So doesn't a rear sway help keep the rear tires planted/level?

What about the front sway? Does it make much difference - either in helping cornering by keepint it on or better articulation by taking it off?

Right now, I have both bolted on and while it's not my old S4, it's certainly manageable.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 08:57 PM
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Oh for christ sakes... If you want to drive around corners fast get in a sports car....
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Old August 6th, 2009, 08:59 PM
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Mine were gone when I bought mine. The truck weaves on the highway during emergency slow downs and I'd kinda like to get a set.
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Oh for christ sakes... If you want to drive around corners fast get in a sports car....
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I kept mine on for the highway safety factor.
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Mine were gone when I bought mine. The truck weaves on the highway during emergency slow downs and I'd kinda like to get a set.
Is your truck lifted? That sounds more like the symptom of lost of castor from a suspension lift...
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Correct me if I am wrong, but these trucks seem very front heavy - at least my ST w/ ARB & winch does. So doesn't a rear sway help keep the rear tires planted/level?

What about the front sway? Does it make much difference - either in helping cornering by keepint it on or better articulation by taking it off?

Right now, I have both bolted on and while it's not my old S4, it's certainly manageable.
It has been a long time since I had a normal rover, so please take any info with a grain of salt.

I don't know exactly the weight difference front to rear on a stock rover. I know it's front heavy on mine for sure, but the rear end is surprisingly where most of the sway comes from. Or maybe not surprising. You see, the radius arms actually rely on a sway bar style force to locate the axle. If you are running a stock suspension, the springs are overly stiff to compensate. So you would be fine if you just take it into account when you drive.

I would pull one off, drive around, and then pull the other off, put one back on and drive around. It is up to you what you think is acceptable. When I was 18 I DD'd a truck that looking back on it, I wouldn't have even driven to a trail.

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Oh for christ sakes... If you want to drive around corners fast get in a sports car....
Thats dumb. What if you like to go fast offroad? Is that not okay? What if you want a truck thats good for more than one thing. You CAN have it all.

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Old August 7th, 2009, 04:41 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but these trucks seem very front heavy - at least my ST w/ ARB & winch does. So doesn't a rear sway help keep the rear tires planted/level?

What about the front sway? Does it make much difference - either in helping cornering by keepint it on or better articulation by taking it off?

Right now, I have both bolted on and while it's not my old S4, it's certainly manageable.
Here's my experience with running rear sway bars only, do keep in mind this is with a street/strip grand national. Soft springs and shock setup, much like the D90.

I found running only the rear bar made the car handle much like stock. This felt the best when on the road and would still allowed the front to move when racing. The problem is at the corning limit there was severe snap oversteer. Emergency lane changes get pretty interesting.

I run no swaybars on my D90. You get use to it.
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Old August 7th, 2009, 04:46 PM
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Thats dumb. What if you like to go fast offroad? Is that not okay? What if you want a truck thats good for more than one thing. You CAN have it all.

Come on, posting pictures of your truck is silly. It is a completely different animal....

The stock 90 without swaybars is magic at speed off road. I truly doubt anything can keep up to one on a gravel road, except maybe a 110. Nobody has ever caught up to me, that is for sure.

My point is that if driving around corner fast on the road is what you want a 90 will ALWAYS be crap. Any truck will always be crap.
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I ran without the rear sway on stock suspension for many thousands of miles. I didnt really notice it was gone.
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Old August 10th, 2009, 10:21 AM
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I'm with Red90 100%. If I want to go around corners fast I take the Porsche out.

I have a 1995 SW with 285 tires, OME HD front and Med duty rear springs, winch and bumper in front. I have never run sway bars in the 4 years i have been driving this rig. The suspension on these rigs is very balance, it can be my daily driver or my weekend trail rig. I can run trails, and drive home without having to mess with swaybar disconnects becuase I don't have sway bars.

I have driven TJ's, YJ's, CJ's, JK's and XJ's and all needed sway bars on the street to feel safe. My D-90 is great without them.
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