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Old May 5th, 2014, 06:50 PM
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Buying a used Defender 90 in the USA

First post here.

Years ago I drove a regular Range Rover bought new around 1995 with the old Buick derived engine and more recently, my wife drives a 2010 Range Rover. The older RR eventually gave us a lot of engine issues after 5 years which prompted us to sell it.

Now that the kids are older and don't need me to drive them to soccer and lacrosse practice, I want to get rid of my Surburban and am wondering if getting a used but well maintained officially imported D90 for a daily driver is a good idea. Don't mind auto vs manual. Any issues with rust more than other vehicles of similar age?

Not really knowing what issues can arise, I'd like some help. Are there electrical and engine issues? In the classifieds regarding one Defender for sale, old oil lines are mentioned as a potential fire hazard; something potentially dangerous which I would't even think about asking about.

How easily are they maintained and parts obtained in the USA? Other then Copley Motors in Boston and East Coast Defender in Maine, are there reputable sources to buy well maintained and restored examples? Being a novice, would this be a better way to go rather than buying from a private seller or even a Land Rover dealer who doesn't see many of them anymore?

Are there any members from New Jersey who could recommend a mechanic that they would trust with their older Rovers?

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Old May 5th, 2014, 07:06 PM
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Old May 5th, 2014, 07:17 PM
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I wouldn't mind buying from a private seller if I new more or have a mechanic that could go over the truck as it would be cheaper than going the dealer route.

Copley had good specimens in the 60-70K range but I assume you are paying extra for them giving them the once over. I'll call East Coast Defender tomorrow to see what a D90 that is refurbished up a showroom safety standard would cost.

I've also thought about going the West Coast Defender route but with a complete redo including leather seats, the advertised prices begin at 85K and go on up. Other than the negative from the high price, I assume since they need to import 25+ year old vehicles, the engines along with other mechanics would be older versions than what I could get from an officially imported one. I would prefer a 1997 or so 4L engined D90 hard top.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 07:43 PM
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1997 Defender wagon with the 4.0 Should be in the 30k+ range, there have been bargains posted here.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 08:23 PM
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Spend some time on this forum, the information you get will help you make a good choice, you will learn from some of the most knowledgeable Rover people in the world, good luck with your search.
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Thanks for all that have responded. I'm reading as much on the forum to see what potential issues with a 20 year old car that I don't know much about could be.

What do you think of the price on this listing given the low miles and great condition. I know it is from a dealer so there is a premium but how much would you think one is overpaying for this one? Would a East Coast Rover vehicle be much more?

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/...0/1632671.html
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I'm part of the poor lot on this forum that bought a rusty ole' ROW 110 because it was the best I could afford... if you're sitting here talkin $65K right out the gate, then you need to seriously consider a nice custom build/resto. I think $65K can get you a mighty clean galvy-chassis restoration.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 08:51 PM
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In that price range, ask yourself if you appreacate an exceptional condition original truck, or one that has been restored or restored with tastful upgrades throughout. If properly maintained, the few original examples will their value more. This holds true for most any car or collectable. However, if you will be driving it on the beach or in the winter snow/salt mix, parking it outside, then look for a restored truck with a galvenized frame, bulkhead and other upgrades and enjoy it to its fullest.
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Old May 5th, 2014, 08:52 PM
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I'm part of the poor lot on this forum that bought a rusty ole' ROW 110 because it was the best I could afford... if you're sitting here talkin $65K right out the gate, then you need to seriously consider a nice custom build/resto. I think $65K can get you a mighty clean galvy-chassis restoration.
I'm also very conscious of cost but want something very reliable and clean/safe. Can you point me to some East coast trusted restorers besides East Coast Rovers which may be too expensive?

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In that price range, ask yourself if you appreacate an exceptional condition original truck, or one that has been restored or restored with tastful upgrades throughout. If properly maintained, the few original examples will their value more. This holds true for most any car or collectable. However, if you will be driving it on the beach or in the winter snow/salt mix, parking it outside, then look for a restored truck with a galvenized frame, bulkhead and other upgrades and enjoy it to its fullest.
I don't want a collectable as I want to drive it for years as a daily driver but I want originality and not add ons that weren't available at the time of the model's introduction or run. I've thought about rust issues as I'll be driving it in New Jersey as well in Nantucket in all sorts of weather. Who sells D90s that are galvanized? I've also read of some sort of Olywax that is applied to the frame to protect against corrosion.
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that green sw is a japanese truck, not worth the coin unless the mileage is well documented. 65k gets a "restored" truck, that means a lot of different things. There is a lot to read here, browse the classifieds and you can get an idea of what has sold. If youre willing to spend all your money and short on time Copley generally has decent trucks, they have a clean 95 but its a 5 speed. Id buy it in a second if I had the means.
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I've also thought about going the West Coast Defender route but with a complete redo including leather seats, the advertised prices begin at 85K and go on up. Other than the negative from the high price, I assume since they need to import 25+ year old vehicles, the engines along with other mechanics would be older versions than what I could get from an officially imported one. I would prefer a 1997 or so 4L engined D90 hard top.
You do not want a West Coast Defender. An ECR rebuild would be in the same ballpark as far as price goes (probably more expensive), and it will last more than just a few years. A West Coast Defender rebuild is a hack job in my opinion.

Also, don't assume that because it comes from a reputable dealer that it will be a good truck. Personally, I would look at places that specialise in Defenders, but not ones that have been hacked together with LED lights and 20" wheels.
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x2 And like Jimmy said stay away from the West Coast Defender flebay types that put lipstick on a pig and then charge stupid money hoping to reel in someone not knowledgeable about Defenders.

There are some incredably talented guys on this forum who do amazing work and others who have good reputations for selling quality, sorted out trucks.

Ken J (bobcat110 here) is another person you might reach out to. I have seen his trucks and they are nice, nice, also the guys that work on his trucks are top notch.

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You do not want a West Coast Defender. An ECR rebuild would be in the same ballpark as far as price goes (probably more expensive), and it will last more than just a few years. A West Coast Defender rebuild is a hack job in my opinion.

Also, don't assume that because it comes from a reputable dealer that it will be a good truck. Personally, I would look at places that specialise in Defenders, but not ones that have been hacked together with LED lights and 20" wheels.
You're right Jimmy. Very Hollywood but no substance. What was I thinking?

Too bad ECR might be too expensive. I'll call them soon and see what ballpark I'm looking at. I'll also reach out to expert restorers on this board once I find them and see if I can get a good example and stage things out so it won't be so pricey.

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x2 And like Jimmy said stay away from the West Coast Defender flebay types that put lipstick on a pig and then charge stupid money hoping to reel in someone not knowledgeable about Defenders.

There are some incredably talented guys on this forum who do amazing work and others who have good reputations for selling quality, sorted out trucks.

Ken J (bobcat110 here) is another person you might reach out to. I have seen his trucks and they are nice, nice, also the guys that work on his trucks are top notch.

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Thanks Raub, does Ken J have a website?
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Old May 5th, 2014, 10:09 PM
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I believe your question was about good NJ mechanics. There are a number of great mechanics across NJ, north to south. Feel free to PM me and I can turn you on to some guys that may be in your neighborhood.
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Defender 90 buying tips:

1) Research, lurk, do more research and lurk some more to get a "feel" for the market. Various deals pop up all the time on this forum, Craigslist, car buying sites, local ads. If the deal is a genuine bargain, move fast. On the other hand, a buyer willing to spend 65k can call the shots.


2) Many D90's are simply priced for whatever the seller thinks the market will bear. Many D90's you see priced at 65K were sold in another region/market of the US for much less, lightly refurbished and then slapped with a premium price.


3) It helps to be able to tinker. Heck, even if you aren't much of a wrench turner buying a D90 will help you learn fast. Going to a mechanic for every little bug is going to cost you $$$. Going to the official LR dealer is like putting your money in a big pile and setting it on fire.

4) A D90 bought from a forum member who has owned it for a couple years would be a good proposition because most likely it was obsessively maintained

5) Exit 4! (But don't know any good LR mechanics. Do my own wrenching.)
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Mine is for sale for $50k if you're looking for a bargain to put leather seats in, etc. It's the ever elusive Beluga Black ST. I just can't drive it as much these days as I used to.
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Mine is for sale for $50k if you're looking for a bargain to put leather seats in, etc. It's the ever elusive Beluga Black ST. I just can't drive it as much these days as I used to.
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mine is for sale for $50k if you're looking for a bargain to put leather seats in, etc. It's the ever elusive beluga black st. I just can't drive it as much these days as i used to.
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Mine is for sale for $50k if you're looking for a bargain to put leather seats in, etc. It's the ever elusive Beluga Black ST. I just can't drive it as much these days as I used to.
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