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Old November 19th, 2012, 07:51 PM
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Book Rate for Radiator Job

Does anyone have whatever 'book' LR mechanics use to determine time/rate for a job?

I asked a local LR specific shop to give me a quote to replace my radiator, replace all the hoses, both radiator and 4 heater, and install a new thermostat. I actually forgot to mention the new viscous fan, but based on the quote, that won't really matter.

Also, I am providing all the new parts - recored radiator, thermostat and hoses.

The Quote was almost $1400 which sounds absolutely ridiculous. They're up-charging me $125/hour versus $95/hour because I'm supplying the parts (which annoys me) - but even at $125/hour I can't fathom this is an 11+ hour job. Is it? Are they mis-reading the "book" or trying to screw me?

At this point it's academic because the hell if I'm going to take it there, but on principle I want validation that this is a nutso price.

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Old November 19th, 2012, 07:54 PM
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screw that, bring it to any decent auto shop they'll have it done in 2 hours..

that quote is completely ridiculous..
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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:00 PM
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It's a crime to even pay to have that job done when you have the parts! All you need is a screwdriver and ratchet set! Pure novice stuff.

Save the shop work for the big jobs like head gaskets and such. this is child's play.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:02 PM
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wow really?

this is a very straightforward job that can basically be done in about an hour and a half in your driveway.....especially if you soak all the connections in blaster the night before so everything comes loose easily..... any shop owner that tries to charge something like that for this should be ashamed of himself......
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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:05 PM
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I get the DIY angle, and it's still in the cards. I was looking to have it done at a shop because of the usual excuses: time, weather, general laziness, etc....

There's a local radiator/AC shop that quoted me a lot less to do it, but the place that quoted me is a pretty well respected LR shop, and I was considering letting them work on my truck. Now I think not.
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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:09 PM
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In all reality

I wouldn't expect to be charged in reality for more then about three hours of labor tops for this job......maybe they think you are asking to have a heater replaced on a Range Rover Classic....that's an 11 hour job
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Old November 19th, 2012, 08:13 PM
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If they think it takes 11 hours, then I can assure you they are violating child labor laws behind the "employees only" sign by the front desk.

I prefer the beer rating. This is a 2 beer job.

BTW, I did a complete radiator replacement in my D in my National Guard parking lot in 1 hour in 100 deg heat.
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I could fly out and do it for less than that! Actually, its a good opportunity to have a wrenching day at your place. $100 in pizza an beer would get that done.

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I wouldn't expect to be charged in reality for more then about three hours of labor tops for this job......maybe they think you are asking to have a heater replaced on a Range Rover Classic....that's an 11 hour job
The guy actually said the radiator portion was only about two hours. I said, "so the hoses and thermostat are a 9 hour job?" his reply? "Some of those hoses are hard to get to"
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There is no good reason to be in the suburbs of Chicago even when the weather is nice...

Would you be wearing that 1/2 shirt you wore to Barry's? (that was you, right?)



The guy actually said the radiator portion was only about two hours. I said, "so the hoses and thermostat are a 9 hour job?" his reply? "Some of those hoses are hard to get to"
Honestly if Jeff will come out, and you have the extra room, you should do it. Sure he will drink all the coffee in your house and scare your children with his half shirts but he knows his shit.

I still can't believe he flew to Los Angeles and we put a new clutch in my truck. Actually I can't believe my wife was cool with a guy I met on the internet staying in my house, especially since he shared a room with my three year old daughter.
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That list sounds like a cake walk, the price sounds like a crack head trying to feed the habit.

I can bet I know which Chicago area land rover specific shop you went to.

If the 90 is fine to drive we can figure out a time to rent a bay in the climate controlled car craft center at Great Lakes Navy Base and I'll give you a hand.
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That list sounds like a cake walk, the price sounds like a crack head trying to feed the habit.

I can bet I know which Chicago area land rover specific shop you went to.

If the 90 is fine to drive we can figure out a time to rent a bay in the climate controlled car craft center at Great Lakes Navy Base and I'll give you a hand.
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according to alldata it is 1.5 hrs to replace the rad, and .8 to replace each hose... add an hour to replace the thermostat... heater hoses, .8 each
the fan clutch calls for an additional .5 all fo these done separately one at a time.
personally if Im doing the job... the hardest part is removing the rad, the fan clutch has to come out in order to remove rad and the hoses upper and lower need to be disconected.
so rad, clutch and hoses an even 2.0 hrs... plus 1.0 for the heater hoses at my shops rate of 108.00 p/h... $324.00...
as a side job cut that in half...
they are nuts charging over 11 hrs for something that simple.. someone needs christmas money...
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Not saying it is the right approach, but it is because of the customer supplied parts and the fact we are talking about a Defender here that they quoted the job so high. Put yourself in the shop's position for a second and think about it.
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I have a few customer's that are very good at sourcing parts inexpensively or sometimes used, and if we've had a chance to discuss it, I usually work with them. But, I do point out that if there is an issue with any of the parts, either during install or at the end of the parts supplier's warranty period, the obligation rests on their shoulders. And, if it's a problem uncovered during install that delays the completion or prevents access to my floor space, they may have to pay for my time to remove the car from the shop , and to bring it back into the shop (assuming it's no longer driveable.)
Still, 11 hours seems a bit excessive even accounting for the unknown....
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google 'Defender Labor Operation Times pdf'
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Not saying it is the right approach, but it is because of the customer supplied parts and the fact we are talking about a Defender here that they quoted the job so high. Put yourself in the shop's position for a second and think about it.


I don't follow this logic. Tripling the rate because the guy brings his own parts? The only semi-logical reason a shop would make that quote is because they don't want the job.

I like the "Invite some friends over, break out the wrenches, drink beer and fix the rover" approach..
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it a non issue ... if he lies about the amount time it takes to do a job ... would you really trust him with actually doing the work to a high standard?

You should name and shame the shop.
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I don't follow this logic. Tripling the rate because the guy brings his own parts? The only semi-logical reason a shop would make that quote is because they don't want the job.

I like the "Invite some friends over, break out the wrenches, drink beer and fix the rover" approach..
I think his other point was that he is driving a Defender, so logically has deep pockets and can afford dishonest price gouging.
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The Quote was almost $1400 which sounds absolutely ridiculous.
You are correct. It is ridiculous. In the defense industry, we would call this the "I don't really want to do the job" bid on an RFQ.

If I am not mistaken, I think you are looking at a total of 4 bolts and some hose clamps.
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