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Old March 6th, 2011, 09:59 AM
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Better Transfer case and tranny?

Hello all. I am buying my buddies 86 D110 and wanted to know if there were better factory transmissions and transfer cases that would still bolt up. It has whatever the factory setup is for a 2.5L gas engine. Where he is stationed now, he can get other Rover parts pretty cheap, so if there is a better setup, that will still bolt-up to the 2.5, please let me know. I will have to tell him what year and such to pick it from.

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Old March 6th, 2011, 10:21 AM
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IMO, unless the engine is is perfect shape, the real question is, what is a better engine than the 2.5p? Answer 200 tdi, 300 tdi, any LR v8 or non LR engines too 4BG1t, 4BD1t...
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Old March 6th, 2011, 10:45 AM
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200 or 300Tdi mated to a K or L series R380 & LT230.
Or if you don't want to change the engine, a short bell housing K or L series R380 & LT230.
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Old March 6th, 2011, 05:58 PM
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I have sent a note to my buddy about getting a TDI200. I will see how he can make out with that.
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The later G and H suffix LT77 boxes are much better than the early ones like the D. But are cheaper and easier to find than the short bell housing R380.
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Old March 6th, 2011, 08:42 PM
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The later G and H suffix LT77 boxes are much better than the early ones like the D. But are cheaper and easier to find than the short bell housing R380.
Ok, probably a dumb question, but where do you find the suffix?
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Old March 7th, 2011, 01:59 AM
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Suffix is the last digit of the serial number stamped on the transmission or xfer case. Xfer case serial is stamped on the back, lower left "corner" as you look at it from the rear of the truck. I don;t remember where the transmissions are stamped, and I got rid of all my old ones. It will be a stamped number, not a cast (raised) number.
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I have sent a note to my buddy about getting a TDI200. I will see how he can make out with that.

The parts for the 200, head etc, are getting a little harder to get than the 300 Tdi. I would think that you could get the 300 at about the same price as the 200. If your friend is in the UK there are a few engine re-builders that you could get a nice motor from. But then again you could get a replacement from a breakers yard. If you get one from a RHD Discovery and you have a LHD Defender you will have to get a Defender style Exhaust/intake as the discovery stuff will get in the way.
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...better factory transmissions and transfer cases that would still bolt up.
No. Are there better transmissions and transfer cases that did not come from Rover? Yes by a mile, but you have to figure out how to fit them. The NP435, the SM465, the T18, the Muncie 20...all better than Rover. For transfer cases it is hard to beat a Dana300, except maybe an Atlas.
While you're at it, drop in a nice Ford or Chevy small block.
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If you are going to upgrade the motor while it is in the UK I would go for the 300 tdi and get the trans and t case that came with it.

If you want to keep the original motor and upgrade the transmission I would go for the short r380 from ashcroft.

http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co...&productId=157



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Old March 7th, 2011, 11:56 AM
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Yo, nice hostility there Dave. Did I write something to offend you, or are you just grumpy today?
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Nope I am in a good mood and happy today. You gave bad advice and posted your standard response that you post each and every time a motor / trans post comes up. The poster wanted to know if there was a stock trans that was better than the one that wAs installed in his early truck. Chances are it has a suffix d and they are known to be weak the later ones are more than up to the task and he even has the r380 as an option.

Your response was simply "NO" and that is incorrect
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No. Are there better transmissions and transfer cases that did not come from Rover? Yes by a mile, but you have to figure out how to fit them. The NP435, the SM465, the T18, the Muncie 20...all better than Rover. For transfer cases it is hard to beat a Dana300, except maybe an Atlas.
While you're at it, drop in a nice Ford or Chevy small block.

then its not a rover
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I am thankful all the advise so far. I really want to keep it as a rover. I have thought about adapting a VW TDI engine. That would only be because I have a spare ALH. But other than that, I want a rover. My buddy is actually in Bahrain, not the UK. So, it is a nice left hand drive model from the desert. He has a line on a drivetrain from a 2000, so it is probably a 200TDI.
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Old March 7th, 2011, 04:48 PM
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He has a line on a drivetrain from a 2000, so it is probably a 200TDI.
2000 is a TD5.

1989-1993 = 200TDI
1994-1997/8 = 300TDI
1998 to 2006 = TD5
2007 to pre = TDCI

OK, let's step back. Why are you asking this question? Is there a problem with the gearbox?

Anyway...as stated, an engine swap is pretty common. If you go that route, keep the gearbox and transfer case that are with the donor engine as the strength and gearing will be correct.

1) 200TDI Defender is the easiest swap. All bolt on. Easy weekend job.

2) 200TDI Disco. Probably the cheapest of the Rover engine swaps. Requires a moderate amount of customization.

3) 300TDI. Mostly bolt in with all the donor truck parts other than engine mounts.

4) TD5. Mostly bolt in, but more work.
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I am thankful all the advise so far. I really want to keep it as a rover. I have thought about adapting a VW TDI engine. That would only be because I have a spare ALH. But other than that, I want a rover. My buddy is actually in Bahrain, not the UK. So, it is a nice left hand drive model from the desert. He has a line on a drivetrain from a 2000, so it is probably a 200TDI.
2000my will most likely be a td5 or 300 tdi. 200 went out of production in 1993.
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Old March 7th, 2011, 04:53 PM
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2000my will most likely be a td5 or 300 tdi.
Right, I was not thinking of "other" places in the world that still had the 300TDI after the TD5 came out. Can't recall when they finally stopped using it.
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Oops, I meant 1990, not 2000. I am not really sure how I screwed that up.

I had heard that the early transmissions were on the weak side. Knowing that, I figured an upgrade would be in order. The engine, a 2.5 gas, has just had bearings, rings, and pistons done so its in good mechanical shape.

Now that I have a little more knowledge of all of this, I think I will try to get a TDI300, along with the tranny/transfer case, but if that does not work, than I will get the TDI200, along with its goodies. I just have to check to see if the 1990 he is looking at has the TDI200, and not the older TD.
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Old March 7th, 2011, 09:06 PM
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1990 should be a 200TDI. The earlier boxes have small layshaft bearings. You get a lot of notice before they leave you stranded as the bearings loosen up over time. Behind the 2.5 petrol, you are probably fairly safe...

There is no reason to get the 300 over the 200. Power and torque are the same. The 200 Defender version is a lot less work to install.
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