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Old December 7th, 2009, 02:57 PM
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Battery Issue

I went away for the weekend and went to start up my truck this morning and it - barely - cranked over and started. I noticed it's weak to start if I let it sit for more than 24 hours. If I drive it daily, no problems at all.

The battery was replaced by ECR 30k miles ago (a few years ago).

Is it possible that the battery is losing charge as it sits or do I just need a new battery?

I appreciate any expertise on this.

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Should have searched before posting. Someone previously mentioned that it could be an alternator problem causing the battery to drain after three days (what happened to me). I'll test the battery first then may move onto the alternator if the battery is good.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 03:09 PM
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Yes ... get a new battery ... COSTCO have great deals on own brand deep cycle batteries made by Johnson Controls!
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Old December 7th, 2009, 03:09 PM
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Yeah this happened to me. Test the battery first, but you might have something constantly drawing it down.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 03:15 PM
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check cables make sure nuthin' is loose..(wich I shuld have done myself.. )
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Old December 7th, 2009, 03:47 PM
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While it is likely that your battery has reached the end of the line, you can have it tested. Any shop can "load test" the battery to be sure it is indeed the weak link. If it turns out that the battery is good, then you have a leak to ground somewhere. Of course you will have to have clean connections at the terminals and grounding points.
You might want to have the alternator checked for output.
I also recommend that your next battery be the AGM (absorbed glass mat) type. These have all the good characteristics of a regular flooded battery, as well as the ability to be deeply discharged without harm. This is good if you run winch, stereo, etc. Sears Cabelas, and specialty battery shops will have them. Trojan, Deka are top quality brands.
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Old December 7th, 2009, 07:51 PM
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I'd also check the connectors as well, pull them off and look for corrosion. All batteries have lower output in the cold, which is why winter mornings always seems to be when they fail. Could be a combo of corroded cables, battery getting a bit old, and a good cold spell all combining together.

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Old December 7th, 2009, 08:44 PM
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Thanks for all of the advice. I'm going to do all of the above in the next day or two and see what the solution is and will post what worked.

If I can't figure it out, I'll just steal my kid's hamster, wire it's wheel into my electrical system and feed it once a week. No, wait. It will die in the cold just like the battery. Damn . . .
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Could be a drain on it. Lots of little stuff does that. Search the website. A D90 should sit for at least two weeks before going dead. I have had my old ones sit for months and still start.
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Old December 11th, 2009, 12:11 PM
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It turns out that my Optima Red Top just needed to be replaced. Swapped it out with a Kirkland (Costco) and it's holding a charge just fine. The Optima was less than three years old and had about 25k miles. No off roading (except an afternoon at RC), no winch, DVD players or anything silly. Should have lasted longer IMO.
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Optimas, and other batteries, will die if they go dead, get brought back, go dead, get brought back, etc etc.
We have sen Optimas last for a LONG time if regularly driven or if a battery disconnect is used, but if the battery periodically goes flat they will end up dead. Same thing with the Interstate and NAPA spiral cell batteries (like Optimas but without the brand name).
If that is happening (going dead and then being brought back) then the new Costco battery will fail pre-maturely as well down the road.
If the truck sits, a battery cut off switch, terminal, or just taking the NEG cable off is your buddy.
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I might be crazy but....

The old Optimas were awesome but a few years ago something changed and they do not last very long anymore.

They were the only battery I would buy in the past but now I can not bring myself to buy one as the last 4 or 5 that I have had all died within a year or two.

All diffrent cars and the charging systems were good, replaced with standard battries that lasted without issue where the optimas died
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I might be crazy but....

The old Optimas were awesome but a few years ago something changed and they do not last very long anymore.

They were the only battery I would buy in the past but now I can not bring myself to buy one as the last 4 or 5 that I have had all died within a year or two.

All diffrent cars and the charging systems were good, replaced with standard battries that lasted without issue where the optimas died
As with everything these days they likely cheapen'd up the Optima to make more money. I have no data on if they did or did not.

We haven't seen any failures on cars that are driven daily with recent Optimas, but I will admit they do seem to not come back from going dead like they used to.
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[QUOTE=ECR]Optimas, and other batteries, will die if they go dead, get brought back, go dead, get brought back, etc etc.

Guess they are not that great for winches then. My old Optimas lasted a while (6 years). The new ones less than two years. Recently switched to Odyssey.
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Optimas, and other batteries, will die if they go dead, get brought back, go dead, get brought back, etc etc.

Guess they are not that great for winches then. My old Optimas lasted a while (6 years). The new ones less than two years. Recently switched to Odyssey.
I've not had one winching complaint, and my own Optimas handle winching and Maine sub zero winters with no issues.

The only issue we have had is from a couple customers that let their trucks sit for 6 months at a time. The batteries do not seem to be coming back from that.
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NAPA spiral cell batteries (like Optimas but without the brand name).
?? Exide is a much older brand than Optima is.

Any starting battery will stay dead after a number of deep discharges, hence the use of deep cycle batteries in applications that will encounter that. I've not had any issues using a deep cycle battery as a starting battery, but the reverse has not been true in my experience. The first Diehard deep cycle I ran in my winch eqipped lightweight as the only battery lasted from '86 to around '95 in VT/OH/WI.

My dad used to rebuild batteries in the Navy and I learned from him there are specific methods for discharging and charging batteries to get the longest life from them. The down side is that it varies between different types of batteries. The mfg of your specific battery will have the information, however.
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Optimas look like the NAPA brand as they are both spiral cell type.
Didn't say they were made by them, don't know, don't care.
They are all likely made in China anyway.

Does your dad have a way to teach customers how to disconnect their batteries when they leave the truck sit for the winter??
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I have had bad luck with recent optimas too. I have gone back to normal batteries as a result.
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So if you dont have a battery cut off, is there a clear choice out there on a good battery anymore?
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Why not just diconnect the battery when it is going to sit for a long time?
Then any quality battery will do the job.
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I've only had one optima go bad, but it was when I shipped Yeastie to Russia. The truck sat at the port for 5 months and something drained the optima beyond dead. Not even the Russian's medieval technology could revive it.
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