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Old June 21st, 2006, 09:58 AM
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Badger I & II comparison

Hi I'm trying to decide between Badger I & Badger II
I'd like to hear people having them. which one is the best option? or it's just a matter of taste?


1st & 2nd pic -> Badger II
3rd pic -> Badger I

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Old June 21st, 2006, 10:07 AM
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do a search I just asked this question last month and there were some great viewpoints
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Old June 21st, 2006, 10:24 AM
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Sorry, I've searched before I've posted but I couldn't find anything interesting.
I'll try again, if you remember the url of that thread appreciated.

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Old June 21st, 2006, 11:02 AM
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Which Badger top do you like and why
use that as your search, I can't figure out how to post a url
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Old June 21st, 2006, 11:57 AM
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got the thread you mentioned Thanks,


I'd like to know if the B II owners got any problem with the rear flaps (where the back joins the sides) Those flaps seem to be prone to open when driving fast. am I wrong?


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Old June 22nd, 2006, 12:45 AM
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I have had no issues with the rear flaps while driving long distances on the freeways and highways with my B II. The velcro inside the pockets holds it all together very nicely; a very intelligent design. The only trait that is a little troublesome is the side curtains flapping a bit while driving at speed with the front windows wide open. By "tuning" how much wind you allow into the vehicle you can minimize the flapping, but that is not much of an option on a hot day.
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 09:57 AM
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I have had my Badger II on for a few months now and I wish I would have bought it sooner. The rear flap has never opened even at highway speeds. With my old best top I hated taking the windows in and out, was a pain in the a**. With the BII - pull out the aluminum stiffener strip by the window and roll them up - less than 5 minutes for all 3 sides open or closing. Plus the gutter kit helps with leaks tremendously.
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 10:54 AM
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The only trait that is a little troublesome is the side curtains flapping a bit while driving at speed with the front windows wide open. By "tuning" how much wind you allow into the vehicle you can minimize the flapping, but that is not much of an option on a hot day.
I have "exactly" the same bothering thing with my Bestop ! !



Why the B II side windows are smaller than the ones at the B I ?? Is there any logical reason for that?

Does anybody have black B II pictures ?

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Old June 22nd, 2006, 11:43 AM
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Actually the windows are almost identicle in size. It's the lines of the top that make it look much smaller.
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Old June 22nd, 2006, 01:09 PM
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Pics of Black Top

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Old June 22nd, 2006, 01:40 PM
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Hi Christopher,
I understand.
I think the B II with "small" windows catches more the old Series look while I'm steel in love with the NAS Soft Top look. On the other hand its seems pretty obvious the B II funtionality is far better than the B I functionality.

Is there a way to keep the NAS look with the B II functionality? I might say, is there a way to keep the B I side windows in a B II?

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Old June 22nd, 2006, 03:00 PM
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Yes, the Badger II is a more conventional look, and much easier to work with when it starts to rain. The Badger II side curtains can be dropped down quicker than installing one Badger I side window when it starts to rain. Right guys?
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BII all the way Pat.
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BII all the way Pat.
Nice D90! Makes me want to ditch the SW for the Soft Top. How's the top in the winter?

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Old June 23rd, 2006, 05:38 PM
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Thanks for your pics.
It seems yours and Ron's B II are different at the rear window.
Does your rear window have vertical zips? How do you open/roll-up the rear window? have a pic with the rear window rolled-up?

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Do the sides come completely off like the back to form a surrey top? or do the windows just roll up?
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The rear panel can be unzipped at the top and removed. The side pannels just roll up and are not removable.
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I will and try to get you some pics - weather here pretty lousy at the moment.

There are no vertical zippers on the rear. Just one on top if you want to remove the entire rear window. All three sides roll up nicely and secure with sewn on straps.

Like I said in my last post - this top is perfect - so easy to just roll up, secure and go - the standard tops were such a pain that I avoided taking the windows out. Now I roll them up every chance I get - even if it is just for a short trip.

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The rear panel can be unzipped at the top and removed. The side pannels just roll up and are not removable.
I wonder if chris could make them roll, and unzip on the top, so you could completely remove them if you wanted?
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The first 2 Badger II tops had zip off side curtains. It was a great idea, but it was not workable in the fabrication stage. It just wasn't to the level that I like when I am finished with a top design. There are always great ideas, but once you start designing and fabrication it becomes apparent what will work and what won't. There is a lot of tension on the rear corners on the top, and this is where I had design problems. There were a few tops that did not have vertical zippers on the rear curtain assy. , but the design worked better with the zippers.
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