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Old March 3rd, 2013, 03:25 PM
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I'd love to get my hands on this one for restoration... Greg aside from window tint and stereo it appears pretty much stock? (Going to check out the registry now)
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 05:38 PM
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I have had 4 NAS D110 burn victims through my shop up to now. It is very sad to see.

I think the problem on the D110 is the fuel lines more often then the oil lines. It is very cramped up by the flexible part of the fuel lines and the heat of the Catalytic Convertors does in the crimp and/or flexible hose section.

Here is a picture of Marks D110 at the salvage pool when he was considering it. I was very nervous about the guy he purchased it from and was willing to go fetch it and be sure he got what he paid for. Ended up having more problems with the bent complete firewall he purchased from Canada, then the burnt D110

A picture posted some time back on D90 of another burn victim.

Good luck with the repairs Greg
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 06:06 PM
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I bought this a few weeks back, it burned so hot the front coil springs collapsed and looked like slinkys. I was able to salvage a lot of aluminum from it, since as it burned it all ran down underneath into a huge puddle and the solidified. Copper too, all the insulation was gone.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 06:16 PM
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Greg, glad to hear everyone is ok.
I'd like to throw my hat into the ring for the restoration (or the salvage) opportunity. I have a shop in Pennsylvania, near Hershey/Harrisburg. Anything at all to do with only Land Rovers, from routine maintenance to ground-up restorations.
Please don't hesitate to contact me if I can be of any assistance.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 06:26 PM
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I bought this a few weeks back, it burned so hot the front coil springs collapsed and looked like slinkys. I was able to salvage a lot of aluminum from it, since as it burned it all ran down underneath into a huge puddle and the solidified. Copper too, all the insulation was gone.
yep p38s burn quite well .. but the main cause is the windshield washer nozzles on the hood crack and when you wash the windshield a nice fine mist of alcohol and water right on the hot engine ......

sorry for your NAS 110 loss ... i have another NAS 110 burn victim about to enter my shop for complete redo just gathering parts .......
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 06:42 PM
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I'd love to see that truck at the Buckhorn Imports shop.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 06:47 PM
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First, Glad to hear that you are o.k.

Second: In dealing with the insurance company.. any offer that they make to you is nothing more than their OPENING OFFER. It is a negotiation! Too many people think that their opening low-ball offer is the end of it. NOT TRUE. YOU know what the market value of your truck was the moment before the fire. Get an idea of what your total repair costs will be and take it from there.

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Old March 3rd, 2013, 06:54 PM
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I think the problem on the D110 is the fuel lines more often then the oil lines. It is very cramped up by the flexible part of the fuel lines and the heat of the Catalytic Convertors does in the crimp and/or flexible hose section.
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Can you post a picture of the section of line you are taking about?
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 07:57 PM
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Ah you should have told him about the oil cooler lines!

Greg, what is that mounted to your dash? A Go Pro or something?
Never even thought about it as I really have not paid attention to the topic. I have a rhd 3.5 v8 and I do not think I have to worry about it, or should I be worried?
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 08:13 PM
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You should carry a fire extinguisher Your classic D110 has plenty of reasons it could catch fire as well. Wiring harness. Old plastic fuel lines. Etc...


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Never even thought about it as I really have not paid attention to the topic. I have a rhd 3.5 v8 and I do not think I have to worry about it, or should I be worried?
------ Follow up post added March 3rd, 2013 07:17 PM ------

Looked and do not see a picture on this computer.

There is a supply and return line in short lengths of flexible fuel injection line that come right of the fuel injection loop on the engine. This section of hose is right above the exhaust Catalytic Convertors. Usually covered poorly in some fire resistant material for a minimum of its length. The crimps and hose give way to time just like the oil lines.

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Can you post a picture of the section of line you are taking about?
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 08:21 PM
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Not to argue with Pendy at all, but I think it is the oil lines initially, but then the resultant heat gets the fuel lines involved which are just above and behind the suspected source of the issue.

I have a few bits you may need like harnesses, dash pieces, etc which I am open to selling or do the restoration should you wish. Feel free to contact me should you need info or appraisal estimates as we are approved appraiser for J.J.BestBanc who finances classics...
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 09:35 PM
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I am sure you have many good choice, but I will plug Trevor at British 4x4 because I have seen his work and know his rates are reasonable (so much so I bought a vehicle -- my jag -- sight on seen that he serviced).

Depending on who your insurance co. is, you could end up buying the salvage at a very cheap price.

I do have some spare NAS 110 bits if you want to keep it original although another burn victim got the full grab.
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Old March 3rd, 2013, 11:03 PM
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Its really all speculation unless you can stop it in its tracks to know the cause. But I have had one come through here that the fire was put out and the oil lines were intact. Fuel lines were the culprit, it was a NAS D110. And it made me look at the next D110 fire victim a little closer before blaming the oil cooler lines again. But I certainly agree the oil cooler lines are a weak spot as well. I guess it is a chicken or egg discussion.


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Not to argue with Pendy at all, but I think it is the oil lines initially, but then the resultant heat gets the fuel lines involved which are just above and behind the suspected source of the issue.

I have a few bits you may need like harnesses, dash pieces, etc which I am open to selling or do the restoration should you wish. Feel free to contact me should you need info or appraisal estimates as we are approved appraiser for J.J.BestBanc who finances classics...
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Old March 4th, 2013, 07:45 AM
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Any way to gather sales values and numbers for comparable NAS D110s? I was told that is what the insurance company will try. Any claims experts out there to give me some hints on the best way to show value documentation might be my best ammunition with the insurance company.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 07:56 AM
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Its really all speculation unless you can stop it in its tracks to know the cause. But I have had one come through here that the fire was put out and the oil lines were intact. Fuel lines were the culprit, it was a NAS D110. And it made me look at the next D110 fire victim a little closer before blaming the oil cooler lines again. But I certainly agree the oil cooler lines are a weak spot as well. I guess it is a chicken or egg discussion.
Does the 94' D-90 have the same fuel line routing and/or issue?
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Old March 4th, 2013, 08:08 AM
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Any way to gather sales values and numbers for comparable NAS D110s? I was told that is what the insurance company will try. Any claims experts out there to give me some hints on the best way to show value documentation might be my best ammunition with the insurance company.
Thanks again.
Submit an RFI to the Horsey SOC. I think he's tracking 110 sale prices and estimated values on the big board. It's going to be a tough fight for you unless you have an agreed value policy. Chris von Czoernig, the creator of this board, successfully fought his insurance company when his oil lines burned his truck up. You could probably search here for details. He told me that he had gone to them and argued that he was one of the foremost authorities on Defender prices (having owned the board) and that's how got them to move to a higher price.

Maybe Horsey does NAS Defender value consulting. LOL.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 08:37 AM
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Any way to gather sales values and numbers for comparable NAS D110s? I was told that is what the insurance company will try. Any claims experts out there to give me some hints on the best way to show value documentation might be my best ammunition with the insurance company.
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Old March 4th, 2013, 12:54 PM
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I believe all the NAS Defenders have the same issue. The D110 NAS is more prone to a problem because the area by the fuel lines is much more crowded with A/C components.

The flexible section of fuel lines should have their covering removed and replaced with a longer version in a better fireproof covering. And the lines and crimp should be inspected with the old covering off. I get covering from Summit. Cool-It brand.

Someone should do a write-up on this project. I have never taken pictures when doing this upgrade. I try to do it to all the trucks that come through my shop with the fuel injected V-8 engine. Or change the fuel type to an engine that has the exhaust on the opposite end of the engine compartment from its fuel lines. evil grin-


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Does the 94' D-90 have the same fuel line routing and/or issue?
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Or change the fuel type to an engine that has the exhaust on the opposite end of the engine compartment from its fuel lines. evil grin-
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