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Old June 12th, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Axle Vendor Recommendation?

Who makes some reasonably priced HD rear axles for D90?
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Old June 12th, 2012, 11:38 AM
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Dont know about reasonable. Ashcroft, and KAM in the UK.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 11:41 AM
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Go with the Ashcrofts - they have a 5 year warranty

Lucky 8 sells a kit with HD flanges for about $550

http://lucky8llc.com/Products.aspx?ProductID=2193
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Old June 12th, 2012, 12:47 PM
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Check with Keith at RovingTracks: http://www.rovingtracks.com/products/axles.html

Or Bill at Great Basin Rovers: http://gbrutah.com/cs_drivetrain_axl...24splinestage3
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Give Keith @ RovingTracks a ring or email. If he isn't swamped he'll get back to you quickly.

Lucky8/Aschcroft sounds like a nice setup too. 5 Year warranty on axles is insane!
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Give Keith @ RovingTracks a ring or email. If he isn't swamped he'll get back to you quickly.

Lucky8/Aschcroft sounds like a nice setup too. 5 Year warranty on axles is insane!

Agreed which is why I figured it worth the extra couple bucks.

I'd only buy Ashcroft or Rovingtracks if you care about quality
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Keith (at Roving Tracks) is just up the road from me.

Here's what he said when I emailed to get some of his HD rear axles: "
I still sell the rear axles but these days they are double-splined - meaning they require the use of a separate drive flange like the front..."

So, anybody know if there is a down-side to using double-splined axles?

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Keith (at Roving Tracks) is just up the road from me.

Here's what he said when I emailed to get some of his HD rear axles: "I still sell the rear axles but these days they are double-splined - meaning they require the use of a separate drive flange like the front..."

So, anybody know if there is a down-side to using double-splined axles?
No downside that I know of. I've got his double splined axles in the rear of my '95. I picked up a pair of drive flanges off the front end of a Disco in a local wrecking yard and was good to go.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 03:39 PM
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I have the Long Tracks from Roving Tracks. They are a nice bit of kit.
For my rears I went with Great Basin Rovers heavy duty rears. Also a solid piece of kit.
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I liked the rovertracks but he no longers does the integrated drive flange, I ended up with maxi-drive when L8 had them on special.
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GBR doesn't have any axles in stock. I'll be doing business with Keith at Roving Tracks.

Experience has taught me (yet again) to do business locally whenever possible.
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So, anybody know if there is a down-side to using double-splined axles?
You have splines on both ends = 2 areas to wear, however there is a big upside as well since you can pull the axles and reinstall the caps in the case if an axle failure or 3rd member failure.

Make the trip up to Keith's and get them, he is a great guy to deal with.
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You have splines on both ends = 2 areas to wear, however there is a big upside as well since you can pull the axles and reinstall the caps in the case if an axle failure or 3rd member failure.

Make the trip up to Keith's and get them, he is a great guy to deal with.
I have an appointment with him for Friday!
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As Dave mentioned, the double-splined axles are an advantage if you're going to be taking you truck out into the hinterlands. I've not noticed any wear on the outside splines of my Rover Tracks axles in the three years I've run them.

I don't have allegiance to any drivetrain vendor. I run Rover Tracks in front, Ashcroft in the rear, and GBR diffs.

Hans, if you want to have a work day to install them, hit me up. I'm happy to help.
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Hans, if you want to have a work day to install them, hit me up. I'm happy to help.
Thanks for the offer (again) Chris. These are easy enough.

The sad part is that I don't even need them. This is just another item I'm replacing so Eaton can quit blaming my car for the f#$%ked up TrueTrac in my rear end -- and warranty the diff.

This is my 3rd rear diff in 9 months from GBR. The first one was replaced (labor on my dime) because it was hard locking. The second one was replaced for grinding gear noises that the LR dealership verified after they pulled it (again, on my dime). This one ratchets, clanks, and grinds even when turning the steering wheel from 12-o-clock to 2 or 10. hell, I can't even back out of a parking space at Home depot without people 2 rows over turning to see what all the commotion is.

The noise is SO loud, I was able to get Bill to hear it clearly by putting my cell phone on the back bumper (with the hands free set on the diff) and driving around a parking lot.

It seems Eaton now believes (after Bill spoke with them) I have a preload issue that could be caused by a bent axle housing or a damaged axle. I've already replaced inner and outer wheel bearings (which it didn't need). I keep praying the thing will just detonate so I can stop hemorrhaging money and fix the diff issue.

Apparently, there are plenty of people on the net experiencing this issue with TT's. Burrs on sticking worm-gears are believed to be the issue.

Next step is a video with hi-quality audio which I will post on YouTube and share with you guys.

One more thing... Yes, I did the test where you jack up the rear end and spin tires opposite directions. The result? All of the clanks, pops, grinding I get while driving - which, apparent,ly indicates a problem with the worm gear.
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My TT and Detroit have always been noisy. After I broke my axle housing in Utah, I had the housing welded back together so I could limp home. The rear Detroit sounded like shit during that period.

If you need to swap your housing, hit me up for sure. I did mine in an afternoon.

I picked up an old housing off a RRC from Pikes Peak Rovers:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/defende...ream/lightbox/

and had it mediablasted here in town...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/defende...ream/lightbox/

Matt at Rock Ware beefed up the stock welds with some straps he welded on:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/defende...ream/lightbox/

I painted it with Eastwood Chassis Black and swapped it out for the broken one.
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Give me a name of someone at Eaton your dealing with I work for them.... Albeit in a totally different division but will see what I can do
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Give me a name of someone at Eaton your dealing with I work for them.... Albeit in a totally different division but will see what I can do
Adrian, I have asked Bill (at GBR) for his POC via email. if he provides that info, I'll get it back to you ASAP. THANKS for the help.

Chris, you are a wealth of info.
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One more detail...

I got an email from Bill (at GBR) regarding the double-splined axles. Here is what he said:

"Yes a double-splined/two piece axle will work fine a TT. Might even take some stress off of the TT if the axle case is bent. The only issue with a two-piece axle in a vehicle that is designed with a "dry hub" is that you can experience excessive spline wear on the flange as splined joints should not be run dry. There was a reason that Rover went to a one-piece shaft. You can mitigate the issue by converting to a wet hub by pulling the axle case seal on the back of the spindle and making sure your wheel bearing preload is snug."

So, it appears as though I may not want a double-splined axle. I already have enough BS to manage for deviating from LR drive-line specs.

Thoughts?
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