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Old July 12th, 2006, 11:03 AM
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Another Toasty NAS 110

Another NAS 110 burns...
Just heard from a guy in GA.
Bummer.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 12:21 PM
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If this high a percentage of any US made truck burned, there would be a congressional investigation of the problem.

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Old July 12th, 2006, 12:27 PM
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Just for the sake of asking, I wonder what the average/typical insurance payout is for a 90/110. I've tried to get stated value, but State Farm tells me that it is not old enough. I have full coverage, I hope that will cover my car in the situation I have a total loss. I hope that is never the case, but it happens.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 12:35 PM
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Just for the sake of asking, I wonder what the average/typical insurance payout is for a 90/110. I've tried to get stated value, but State Farm tells me that it is not old enough. I have full coverage, I hope that will cover my car in the situation I have a total loss. I hope that is never the case, but it happens.
About 2 yrs ago I was told by Geico that replacement value for total loss on a 94 D90 was 14k as determined by the NADA book.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 12:55 PM
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NAS D110 value is $22k. I just got mine insured. I bought mine post engine fire. Dropping a 2.8 PS in it. Problem solved.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 01:07 PM
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Most insurance places without an agreed value coverage will cover you for about 30-35K these days, no more on standard insurance, and you have to work and both to get the 35K.

I would not drive a 110 on standard coverage personally.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 04:59 PM
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Oil cooler lines again? Or do we still not know definitively what's causing the fires?
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Old July 12th, 2006, 05:15 PM
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Oil cooler lines or something in the AC.
Always RH front area of the engine bay is the starting point.

I've never seen one in progress, I only get to inspect the aftermath when we fix them, so I can't say for sure.

I believe it to be oil cooler lines as freon is not that flamable, but then again neither is oil.
It must have something to do with a split oil cooler line misting oil onto the manifold to then create a fire.
I don't know for sure, but new or upgraded oil cooler lines on a V8 110 would be highly suggested.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 05:36 PM
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Do you suggest replacing the oil cooler lines with Genuine? I know that some have replaced with a stainless braided teflon hose?
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Old July 12th, 2006, 06:36 PM
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Actually, old engine oil WILL burn, and quite nicely too. I know that many folks use it in home metal casting furnaces. But it has to be finely atomized and well supplied with fresh air..... almost the exact situation you get when you get a small spraying leak in an oil line.

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Old July 12th, 2006, 07:27 PM
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This wasn't a truck you guys worked on was it?
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Old July 12th, 2006, 08:35 PM
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Two comments on this topic.

First, I was able to get my 110 insured through Allstate at stated value which is a little bit of 'piece of mind' should something disasterous happen. No questions asked other than a statement of the purchase price as a reality check I think, and an inspection of the vehicle to do a visual check that it was in the condition stated.

Second, I replaced the oil cooler lines on mine as a precautionary step, but I am also going to replace the A/C lines as well. It is my understanding (I could be wrong however as I am not up on AC internals) that there is a fine light oil in the AC lines to lube the compressor. If a line breaks the refrigerant goes and with it the oil. It would seem that a fine light atomized oil hitting a hot exhaust header (only a few inches away) with some force from the pressurized system would provide and good source of fire. By itself maybe not enough to produce a major fire but a good hot flash could then set off a lot of other combustibles in the engine bay. Anyway just a thought.
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Actually, old engine oil WILL burn, and quite nicely too. I know that many folks use it in home metal casting furnaces. But it has to be finely atomized and well supplied with fresh air..... almost the exact situation you get when you get a small spraying leak in an oil line.

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It does not need to be atomized. Used engine oil will burn in a pool if you add some heat and enough air.
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Old July 12th, 2006, 10:13 PM
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insurance coverage

I recently rolled my 1994 D90 on Potato Salad Hill in Moab and thought there goes $25-30,000. Allstate, knowing the full particulars of the accident covered all the damage (it will total over $20,000) without a peep. Check your policy to see if it covers you offroad. Look under "exclusions".

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Old July 12th, 2006, 10:25 PM
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IS THIS PROBLEM PROPRIETARY TO THE 110 ONLY? What about the D90?
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Old July 12th, 2006, 10:47 PM
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It is also an issue with the D-90 as well. There have been a few burned D-90's on this website already, and I highly suggest inspecting your oil lines for cracks, rot, or otherwise poor condition on a regular basis.

Personally, I don't like the factory oil lines at all. I don't think that the hose used has enough resistance to abrasion, and seems to have a tendancy to fail catastrophically with little warning.

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Old July 12th, 2006, 10:56 PM
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IS THIS PROBLEM PROPRIETARY TO THE 110 ONLY? What about the D90?
The 'ole 90 will Car-B-Que as well.
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Any ideas on upgrading the oil lines?
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Old July 12th, 2006, 11:37 PM
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Old July 12th, 2006, 11:39 PM
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GO BUY A FIRE EXTINGUISHER!! It saved my 95' D-90 with a brand new 4.6 engine. The smoke was so bad that you could not see the cars behind the Defender and it was in the middle of the day. I was pulling away at a stop light when the oil cooler line burst. Lucky I had the fire extinguisher and had the fire out in less than a minute. Don't buy a cheap one from Wal-mart either. They come with plastic saftey pins that break off in the handle keep you from extinguihing the fire. I know because it happen to me. I had to beat the living crap out of the handle on the road to get it to work. No fire damage to the Defender.
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