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Old May 9th, 2012, 10:55 AM
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The thing is, that for most people, offroad means dirt roads, mud, and snow. I really think they are better off with a tire with good manners on road, and a long life. I agree on the sentiment to be able to get spares, and I'd personally want something like a KM2 for what I think Adrian is about to use them for.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 11:08 AM
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very happy with my 2nd hand siped KM2's in the 255/85 size. They are great on the road and quite good off of it. I don't think I've had any situation where the tread pattern or tire construction was the deciding factor in my lack of forward (or backward) progress. More likely my choice of tire pressure or choice of line or approach. i suspect they will last alot longer than the soft intercos.

I wouldn't get the Duratracs, used to buy tires like that but now prefer a real mud terrain.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 01:07 PM
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Bossman - just sent you a PM back. I have a couple of tires at the house that might help you out.

From my limited range of tire use (265 BFG AT, 255 KM and 285 SSR and soon 315 MTR/K) I'd agree with most of what people have said: those bias ply LTB's are going to be a tough tire besides when in full on mud trail use like junkydog said. And what Ed said about the SSR/KM2/MTR-K - they should all be very similiar on and off road. CGalpin wheels (and wheels hard and frequently) so he has seen what works and doesn't.

One thing I might add (as if there are already not enough variables for tires) is matching the tires with the gear ratio and drivetrain. A skinny/lighter tire will be easier on to turn around. A 3.9 V8 can get a by with a lot of tires but maybe the 200tdi with 3.54's might have a tough time turning a 100lb 34" tire up a mtn pass.

It seems people will measure the height and width of tires (which obviously is important) but I never see weight as buying choice. IDK, from riding mtn bikes I can immediately tell if I put a heavier wheel/tire combo on. And the change was very noticable going from 255 KM's to 285 SSR (both on Wolfs). Both have close to the same OD. But who knows maybe the rotational weight of the tires isn't that big of a deal :shrugs:
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I vote for the BFG M/T KM2s. they are great for both on road and off road diving. Yes you can get a more mud tire, but you will not want to drive it on the the road. I have driven on BFG M/T KM1s all over the US and Canada, 11, 15, 26 hour drives and they are very road worthy and tolerable. If you go any more aggressive you won't want to drive it more than 60 miles.
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It depends on your style of driving and surface you are on. I saw a jacked up jeep on 35" Intercos fail to climb a poured concrete obstacle ar Rausch Creek. The lugs just spun out. I got in line after him and climbed it on my RRC, borg warner TC and 235 street tires. Those slicks are sometimes better on the smooth surfaces
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Ugh - so many choices!

I decided on the SSR in 285/75/16 The whole reason I bought my wolfs was to get a bigger tire. I wanted a 34" and thats what these are (33.9). They are a tad wider than I would like and a bit heavier, but I'm willing to live with it.

As mentioned, I'd rather have a great offroad tire and a slightly annoying onroad tire than a better onroad tire and not as good of an off-road tire.

Price is close enough to not make a difference to me. I've only read great reviews of the SSR (although the same has been true about the KM2 as well).


So thats it and dont talk me out of it!!


I gotta say, I'll buy new tires for my race car every 3 events (thats like 3-4 sets a year) and not have to give it 10 minutes of thought as to what to buy.... I've spent more time looking into this than I did when I bought my house lol!
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If you buy 265/75R16 BFG MTs I know of a cheap one you can have for a spare.

Post up pics when you get your tires! I can only imagine how tight the space will be in the garage once these arrive.
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I gotta say, I'll buy new tires for my race car every 3 events (thats like 3-4 sets a year) and not have to give it 10 minutes of thought as to what to buy.... I've spent more time looking into this than I did when I bought my house lol!
LOL - eight showed up at my house yesterday. Run the Falken Azenis RT-615 and Vulcantires.com has the best rate I could find. Yourself?
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Old May 9th, 2012, 04:02 PM
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If you buy 265/75R16 BFG MTs I know of a cheap one you can have for a spare.

Post up pics when you get your tires! I can only imagine how tight the space will be in the garage once these arrive.
Haha - I've already put yours in the basement. Gotta go pick up dans, now that the tires are off them it should make for a little more room

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LOL - eight showed up at my house yesterday. Run the Falken Azenis RT-615 and Vulcantires.com has the best rate I could find. Yourself?
The 615's are a great value, but with my car being over 3Klbs they just lost their grip after 10 or so heat cycles (which is about 2-3 days). And turned to grease after 5 hard laps on a hot day. Also once they got too hot during a session they could never come back.

I was using Nitto 555RII's for awhile since they were cheaper than the NT-01's, but I'm ready to move onto the NT-01's now and pay the extra couple bucks

I just got a great deal on a set of Toyo R888's, and I know they aren't as good as the NT-01's but for the price I'm going to have to run them through.


If your running RT-615's, try a set of NT-01. yes they are more coin but they make your track days SOOOOO much better. Once you go to an R-comp you'll why did you ever bother with the Falkens. They will actually last just long and have a longer performing lifespan. The Falkens are just as bad if not worse in the rain anyways so no excuse there

That being said, after these R888's are gone its Hoosier R6's for me if I can find some points to get back so I dont get bumped up a class, otherwise NT-01's....
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Running an E30 in that bring-your-$500-shit-can endurance series, 24 hrs of LeMons. How is this for worn through? Yes, the belts were showing.
Will give the NT-01 a look.
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I remember a nice gentleman from OCC ran SSRs on his quite awesome FJ40 trail rig. It seemed to do very well at the Cove.
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Running an E30 in that bring-your-$500-shit-can endurance series, 24 hrs of LeMons. How is this for worn through? Yes, the belts were showing.
Will give the NT-01 a look.

Thats awesome! I was building a free pontiac sunfire for that, but the safety stuff was too much coin. My better off friend is building a caprice classic for it and I'll be one of his drivers.

Put a little more - camber on that thing, looks like your rolling the edges to get that kind of wear (or just up the air pressure)

If your doing an enduro the R comps will be great b/c basically its just one long heat cycle and they can stand the higher temps, where once the falkens get above a certain point, even if its the first or second heat cycle, theres no gettting them back....
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I remember a nice gentleman from OCC ran SSRs on his quite awesome FJ40 trail rig. It seemed to do very well at the Cove.
I'm not sure it's his tires as much as Fran and his truck
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Well I had decided on the SSr's, but they were on back order. did some more reading and they had mixed reviews. The KM2's had only great reviews. I think it will be best for long trips just like charles mentioned.


Canceled the SSR order and got a set of 255/85/16 BFG's They are 20lbs lighter, the width i want, and only .5" shorter....which i doubt I'll notice.

O yea and I saved $500!!

Glad i made the decision with my head and not my ego.... Should be arriving this week.

New engine, New wheels, new tires.

Gonna be like a whole new truck in just a week or so!
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Wait, Charles gets all the credit? I told you all that stuff, too!!
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the Narrow SS is also a bias play
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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Adrian - great to hear. I love the SSR's but I think with your setup the 255 KM2's will be a smarter move. They work great with the 6.5" Wolf wheel too. And I think the savings in weight and narrow tread width will match the 200tdi better.
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Is there is difference in road noise or tire wear between the 285/75 and 255/85 KM2's? Thinking wider would be louder, but wear a little long over the narrower.
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