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Old January 14th, 2012, 10:16 PM
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Advice on how to get 2nd fuel tank filler location to look stock.

So I am about to pull the trigger on this project. I have had an annoying dent on my passenger-side tub quarter panel since I bought the truck, just about exactly where one would put the 2nd fuel tank filler location. Just my luck, right? Except that I have done a lot of research on installing the Aux tank and found that the best option, just sending the truck to ECR, isn't really financially feasible unless I'm justifying the trip across the country by doing alot more. And I'd love to do more to the truck, but that too is also not financially feasible at this time. So how should I go about getting this project to come out right? Any advice would be much appreciated. Below is a picture of how I'd like the fuel filler to look (ie. with a rounded top) just like my other fuel filler cut-out. Next to it is my truck, currently with the dent in it, followed by a close-up, that I believe would be resolved with the new Aux Fuel tank filler cutout. Thanks again! - Dave
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Old January 14th, 2012, 11:32 PM
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It is possible to use a single filler by taking off the stock filler pipe and welding a Y piece into it and running a hose to the second tank.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 11:38 PM
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Good idea, but I would still have that dang dent! :-(

That IS a great idea and alot easier to install and to fill. I was just trying to get rid of that dent without a brand new tub panel or bondo. I did see a new right-side tub panel on this site recently for a great price though!

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It is possible to use a single filler by taking off the stock filler pipe and welding a Y piece into it and running a hose to the second tank.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 12:24 AM
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Just because you have a small dent doesn't mean a fuel filler will make it look better. I don't think the dent is that bad but it is personal preference. I am looking at adding 2 tanks under the seat boxes and wouldn't cut a whole in the side but would manually fill it up from inside the seat box. John is right, and I have seen a y pipe to fill the aux tank from the original filler, but I don't know how feasible it is with larger tires under full articulation. Seems to me, anyone running a bit larger tire might hit that pipe. Don't know for sure.

I'd like to see photos of options.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 01:37 AM
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Getting the radius in the aluminium seems near impossible to me. Also, on the grey one, it seems to have been panel bonded as there are no spot weld divets. I am sure you could do a passable job, but I would think you would want to fill under the seat. Keep in mind, the filler pipe may interfere with the w bar for the cage.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 08:53 AM
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I have some aux tank filler neck mounts. I can post pics Monday.
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Genuine fuel filler from the Hi-Capacity pick up Defender models uses a plastic version insert that would be easy to fit and give a factory look. Pics of it can be seen in this thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic6071.html
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Old January 15th, 2012, 12:34 PM
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Thanks for suggestions thus far.

Thanks all. I was hoping to do the radius in the aluminum panel but the Hi-Cap plastic filler insert that you referrenced does make life a bit easier. I just love the way the radius filler cutouts on the tub panel in this 90 pic look much like footholds on the side of an aircraft. I was hoping for the same look.

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Genuine fuel filler from the Hi-Capacity pick up Defender models uses a plastic version insert that would be easy to fit and give a factory look. Pics of it can be seen in this thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic6071.html
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Old January 15th, 2012, 12:45 PM
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Torch and a Hammer. Well, it does need a paint job! ;-)

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I know a guy here in Northern CA who can repair that dent without replacing the panel or bondo. It would need to be re painted as the technique he uses requires a torch and a hammer.

-Jeff
Thanks. That could work too! Where is he located? I'd like to know how much that would cost, minus the paint of course. Is it a body shop or someone's personal garage shop? Then I could just go with the "Y" adapter and make fuel ups easier!
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Old January 15th, 2012, 06:34 PM
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I have absolutely nothing constructive to add to this; just wanted to say that 90 is amazing. Wow. And interested in this topic as well...
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Here is what I have to mount the filler neck with an aux tank.
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Y pipe filler

I fabricated a Y pipe for aux tank. Very happy with the filling access. No clearance issues with stock tire. http://imageevent.com/jimpace/landro...c79w19.eagle_s
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I fabricated a Y pipe for aux tank. Very happy with the filling access. No clearance issues with stock tire. http://imageevent.com/jimpace/landro...c79w19.eagle_s
Do you have a fuel pump attached to your Rover Accessories aux fuel tank?

Have you brought your truck offroad or anywhere, where that passenger rear wheel would need to tuck in/articulate into the wheel well? I know you said it doesn't rub, just wondering under which circumstances it does not interfere.
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Not to hijack but
1.Yes remote 12v fuel pump transfers fuel into main tank.
2.Plenty of articulation situations w/o rubbing.
I think pics of installation posted at link in above post.
For me, one of the best modifications (extended range) to a gas D90!
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Not to hijack but
1.Yes remote 12v fuel pump transfers fuel into main tank.
2.Plenty of articulation situations w/o rubbing.
I think pics of installation posted at link in above post.
For me, one of the best modifications (extended range) to a gas D90!
Jim
Thanks! Yeah, I have the same aux tank for Rover Accessories, but I think they may be out of business now. I called and left them messages, wrote e-mails, etc. - no answer. I had been trying to track down a copy of the owners manual for it, because I couldn't get it to work. The tank came with my truck and I finally found out that it has a pump, and that pump is dead (found an owners manual to it). My filler neck is tucked into the front-most portion of the rear wheel well, and I've never hit that either. Did you just fabricate this neck so that you'd only have to fill the two tanks via a single nozzle?
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Old January 17th, 2012, 12:11 PM
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Happy to help any way I can.
1. Any low pressure transfer fuel pump should work.
2. Plumb into main tank vent line (w/ overflow back into aux tank).
3. My brothers D90 aux tank has the filler under the rear fender in front of tire and this is MUCH better. Easier civilized access and no mud.
4. Yes I fabbed the "Y" and the "connector pipe" at a local muffler shop for $20.
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Filler Neck Mounts.

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I have some aux tank filler neck mounts. I can post pics Monday.


Those are them! They look nice. Is one just painted or are they made from different materials? Are you willing to part with one? Let me know. Thanks again. - Dave
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Old January 17th, 2012, 01:14 PM
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I noticed the new Britpart catalog has flow through aux tanks for rear tank TD5/TDCI 90s. Could probably be made to work with a NAS truck.

http://britpart.com/Accessory-Catalo...px?AccRef=3435
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Old January 17th, 2012, 04:58 PM
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Does anyone carry the wheel well aux tanks any more ? (Tired of only getting 180 miles per tank , the drive to work and back everyday alone is 42 miles)
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Another way of doing it.
I'm pretty sure I've seen small hi GPM fuel transfer pumps (on the order of 20gpm) that could be used to fill the aux tank from the main tank as you fill it. So with that and two 3-way valves you could either draw from the main to fill the aux or vice versa to get the fuel back to the main tank.
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