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Old June 9th, 2012, 02:11 AM
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When I bought mine across the country... We did a bill of sale first... I sent a deposit, he sent the title, I sent the check, he released the vehicle in that order.

The way I see it, if the shit hits the fan, if you have a BOS and the title, you have some legal case. Likewise, if I was the seller, I'd rather hang onto the vehicle then the title until check cleared.

The more likely thing to remember when using a car unseen is that after the transaction, it yours as is. It's not Target. Anything not fully disclosed or mis represented is not the sellers responsibility... It's yours (unless you are buying via consignment or eBay or something). After the transaction, you are at the mercy and kindness of the seller for any shortcomings the vehicle might have.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 07:02 AM
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Small hijack, but any issue with a USAA cashiers check at the time of a vehicle purchase? I'm parting with a vehicle tomorrow (no, not a rover) and buyer is paying in that format. Met/talked to the dude a bunch so nothing seems shady, but was just curious.
In essence, cashiers checks aren't that different from a personal check. Receipt of one is no guarantee that it's real. Your bank will take it for deposit, but if it doesn't clear you're out of luck.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 08:31 AM
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I purchased my D-90 sight unseen at 2am on a Sunday. After viewing several photos and talking on the phone and agreeing on the basic terms of the deal, I paypal'ed a $1000 deposit (good and fast as a wire) to hold through the following noon. That morning, The PO emailed me 50 or so photos of the areas I requested, photo of the lien free title, and a short video clip of the vehicle operating and engine running (with the politheria of PDAs, this is a easy request). With this additional information, the terms were revised and I drafted a brief contract, signed, and emailed over. The PO signed, scanned and emailed back with a copy of his drivers license. The following Monday I wired the balance of the $ and the PO FedEx'ed me the title and emailed the tracking number after conformation of funds in his bank about an hour later. The car carrier arrived that Wednesday to haul it off.
The purchase of cars can be sizable transactions. Both parties much be patient and respectful of the requests and concerns of either party. If you start hearing excuses or consternation, just walk from the table as others have said.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 09:24 AM
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When I bought one of my trucks, I hired a classic car inspection guy. I found him on the internet. He took a ton of picture of all the suspect areas. Paid him $150 bucks. Way cheaper than the plane ticket. It helps to get a 3rd party in the mix.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 10:41 AM
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If paying in person with a cashiers check...say a nominal 30K deal, have the check issued for 25K and bring the balance in cash. You will still be able to complete the deal at the full price (30K) but if there are issues that need to be resolved the price can be adjusted on the spot.
A full check for 30K does not afford that latitude.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 02:17 PM
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Small hijack, but any issue with a USAA cashiers check at the time of a vehicle purchase? I'm parting with a vehicle tomorrow (no, not a rover) and buyer is paying in that format. Met/talked to the dude a bunch so nothing seems shady, but was just curious.
Usaa is a great bank. Its night actually be a sight draft not money order. Call 8005318111 and verify.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 02:50 PM
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After seeing my brother-in-law taken for $30K from a guy who "posed" as legitimate Audi dealer salesman, in Idaho, wire transferred to account he later learned was in NJ (and closed in less than 24 hrs), there's no way I'd do what you're doing. I'd use a high limit credit card to make the purchase OR find a local LR dealer to act as an escrow company. Beings your less than a day away from the D90, I'd get my ducks in row, take a couple of days off work, and go get the thing in person with a friend over a long weekend.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 05:09 PM
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Fly down. Go to a branch of your bank (call ahead), exchange cash for title and vehicle.

OR as they say in the rolex world, buy the seller. If someone has a work email of a big company/firm/etc. and you can figure out who they are in real life and talk to them on a work number and through work email, it is likely worth the risk doing it remotely. Yahoo and gmail NOT OK.

Also, ask for odds pictures of the car. If they don't have the car, they can't provide them. Never buy a car with pictures without the proper inspection sticker on the front of the car (scammers never think of this).

Finally, as pointed out above, find a third party to look at it is who is local. I would go see a D90 in philly or wilmington for a steak I am sure someone nearby would do the same.

Anyway, being out of town is fishy. I would see it in person.

I have bought a lot of cars from a variety of sellers. All but one has been cool with a personal check from me, but I have some cred in the online vehicle community and am easy to find on google and do my business like that through work email (which reveals my profession and how I am not a crook). Generally speaking, I show up, write out a contract, fork over $$$$ for a deposit or give a check onsite and take it away with the title. When I sell, it is CASH ONLY in $20 bills unless I know you.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 08:07 PM
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I am in SF every day and would be happy to help I will PM you my #
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Old June 9th, 2012, 08:43 PM
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I appreciate all the input, it's been helpful. That's why I love this forum. I should stress that I have no reason to be suspicious of the seller other than I'm suspicious by nature. I asked for photos, he sent them. I asked for more photos of specific areas, he sent them. I made a third request for even more detailed photos of certain areas, he sent them. I have no doubt that he has the truck. The story he told me the first time we spoke matches the carfax history. After we agreed on a price, he offered (without me asking) to take the truck anywhere I wanted for a PPI.

It seems for certain that the first step should be a signed contract.
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Old June 9th, 2012, 10:29 PM
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Holy shit. I guess a bunch if folks on here have been burnt.
Ok so rule #1. DON'T BE A DUMBASS. Sounds to good to be true it probably is.
Rule #2 the Internet is your friend. The beaut thing about the world today is the amount of info at out disposal. USE IT!! Use google on the person, their address etc.
Rule #3 don't shell out more than you are willing to loose. You may lose money figure out what you are willing to day "F it" for
Rule #4 seek help close by. Use the forums we have many guys are more than happy to look at Rover Porn.

I have bought and sold 7 vehicles in eBay/web (Craigslist) and never been burnt. JUST BE SMART.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 12:13 AM
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I too am in the SF Bay area and know alot of the rover guys from the local club. I know one of them is selling a portofino red D90 1994. If its the same one (how many are there really) you have nothing to worry about. He's a top notch guy.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 01:11 AM
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I too am in the SF Bay area and know alot of the rover guys from the local club. I know one of them is selling a portofino red D90 1994. If its the same one (how many are there really) you have nothing to worry about. He's a top notch guy.
Believe it or not, there are 2 red 1994 D-90's for sale 12 miles apart. My seller is not active in any clubs.
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Old June 10th, 2012, 01:15 AM
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Bought my LE sight unseen, however I was buying from a D90 broker. I got as many pictures as I could and fortunately, the seller was a class guy (Adventure Motorcars in Birmingham). I was looking at a D90 in Kansas for sale from a private seller (I'm in Dallas) before I bought my LE, and I had a Uhaul and cashier's check/cash ready to hand deliver. I guess I would take the plunge and pickup the car in person if you're close enough. You could always arrange transport to meet you once the sale is complete. It would be a royal PIA, but if you're concerned about driving it home, might give you a piece of mind.

I could have easily gotten taken on my deal. But, I had to make a leap of faith and go with my gut at some point. Hell, maybe not a smart decision, but it worked out well!
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Old June 10th, 2012, 01:25 PM
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Believe it or not, there are 2 red 1994 D-90's for sale 12 miles apart. My seller is not active in any clubs.
Wow go figure
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Old June 24th, 2012, 06:03 PM
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Thought I'd update this, for closure and maybe it helps someone in the future. Deal is done, D90 is on the way via shipping co. I ended up doing it remotely, in large part due to a cooperative seller.

After agreeing on a price, I had a PPI done by the LR dealership closest to the seller. This was money well spent as the truck needed new brake pads and rotors all around. I then asked the dealership if they would act as an escrow agent and take possession of the title and truck while I wired funds and they declined, saying that they do not broker third party deals. Next, I asked the seller if he would send me the title before I wired funds, after we did a bill of sale via e-mail. He agreed to this so I scheduled a pick-up date with the shipping co. Once I had the title and a bill of sale, I wired the funds a couple of hours before the shipper pick-up.
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