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Old June 15th, 2016, 09:52 PM
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Accident :(

I was in an accident in the Defender today.

First off, I feel fine. We will see if I feel something tomorrow - but I really think there will be no issues what so ever. This was a low speed collision (I was probably going around 25 mph), and really seemed to do more damage to the bigger truck.

Second - I am sure I will will be able to get it fixed. It might be a pain getting some parts, and I have already called my close insurance's preferred auto body shop - and they "do not work on specialty vehicles that old."

I attached some pictures. I do not feel like this was my fault. I was pulling onto the road where Leigh works. A wide road. A box white box truck about 200 feet ahead, moved to the left, almost to the yellow line and starting slowing down. It was obvious he was going to turn to the access road on the right. He came to almost a stop. I moved to the right and was going to go by.

Then quickly he turned sharply to the right - I guess planning to turn to the right access road? He never used his right turn signal. My hood was already past him, and I tried to move further right, but there was not much I could do. It was pretty scary seeing the corner of his truck, bear down on the Defender about where my right leg was. The collision was not too bad, and I feel OK. The Defender is tough.

I was able to pull forward. The door and hinges are not lined up, but still latch if you close it real hard. And pushes open if you push real hard. The side mirror is gone. Various Dents. Rear tire punctured.

The accident happened around 10:30 AM. After the police, calling insurance, waiting for AAA, changing tire, etc - I got home around 4:00 PM. Not the quick errand that I expected. The Defender is drivable. The steering is a bit screwed up - surely the wheels are out of alignment now.

Now starts the hassle of dealing with insurance agents, adjusters, and figuring out how to get the Defender fixed up.

Questions:
1) I meet the insurance adjuster next Tuesday. What things can I expect him to say? What should I say?

2) Should I be looking for someone special to restore this - or see if a standard body shop can bend these dents out, sand, and paint. Don't think I will need too many parts besides maybe door hinges, new mirror, and I am sure there is stuff I am missing.

3) What about the paint? My truck has been outside since new (I am the original owner). Mechanically it is pretty good. Cosmetically, it has seen better days. If they paint the drivers side, the truck is going to look silly being half new and half old. Can I get them to paint the whole thing? Should I paint the whole car, even if insurance will not pay for it?

4) Anyone have a recommendation of where I 'should' go in the Baltimore area? Even better if they work with my insurance company - USAA.

Basically………….I am just pretty sad tonight.

Thanks everyone!

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Old June 15th, 2016, 09:53 PM
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Old June 15th, 2016, 10:00 PM
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Looks like a new bulkhead, wing, sill, door, arch and tire. Do you have agreed value insurance or standard insurance?

Possibly call safari HP in Orlando, they just did a insurance job for another member.
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Old June 15th, 2016, 10:00 PM
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I was in an accident in the Defender today.

I attached some pictures. I do not feel like this was my fault. I was pulling onto the road where Leigh works. A wide road. A box white box truck about 200 feet ahead, moved to the left, almost to the yellow line and starting slowing down. It was obvious he was going to turn to the access road on the right. He came to almost a stop. I moved to the right and was going to go by.

Then quickly he turned sharply to the right - I guess planning to turn to the right access road? He never used his right turn signal. My hood was already past him, and I tried to move further right, but there was not much I could do. It was pretty scary seeing the corner of his truck, bear down on the Defender about where my right leg was. The collision was not too bad, and I feel OK. The Defender is tough.

Thanks everyone!

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Glad to hear you are feeling ok at this point.

To be clear...

You say he moved to the left towards center line and it was obvious he was prepping to make the right turn although wasn't using his turn signal...and then you go to pass on the right? Passing on right is never a good idea, but if you thought he was getting ready to turn right, why did you decide to pass on the right?

I am assuming this writeup is a mistake while a little excited over the accident?

Glad to hear you are already looking to repair your 90. Too many get insurance money and let their 90 go.
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Old June 15th, 2016, 10:02 PM
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Glad you are ok. It is a wake up call for some good sliders though.
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Old June 15th, 2016, 10:18 PM
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Did this happen near Bel Air, MD today? I was in a business meeting and a guy said his friend just wrecked a box truck.
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Old June 15th, 2016, 10:19 PM
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Dude I'd get a check and never fix it if the door still works. Invest your money and when you sell your truck in the future it's not going to matter because the thing will have appreciated to at least $150k by 2028.
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Old June 15th, 2016, 11:12 PM
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I was in an accident in the Defender today. First off, I feel fine. We will see if I feel something tomorrow - but I really think there will be no issues what so ever. This was a low speed collision (I was probably going around 25 mph), and really seemed to do more damage to the bigger truck. Second - I am sure I will will be able to get it fixed. It might be a pain getting some parts, and I have already called my close insurance's preferred auto body shop - and they "do not work on specialty vehicles that old." I attached some pictures. I do not feel like this was my fault. I was pulling onto the road where Leigh works. A wide road. A box white box truck about 200 feet ahead, moved to the left, almost to the yellow line and starting slowing down. It was obvious he was going to turn to the access road on the right. He came to almost a stop. I moved to the right and was going to go by. Then quickly he turned sharply to the right - I guess planning to turn to the right access road? He never used his right turn signal. My hood was already past him, and I tried to move further right, but there was not much I could do. It was pretty scary seeing the corner of his truck, bear down on the Defender about where my right leg was. The collision was not too bad, and I feel OK. The Defender is tough. I was able to pull forward. The door and hinges are not lined up, but still latch if you close it real hard. And pushes open if you push real hard. The side mirror is gone. Various Dents. Rear tire punctured. The accident happened around 10:30 AM. After the police, calling insurance, waiting for AAA, changing tire, etc - I got home around 4:00 PM. Not the quick errand that I expected. The Defender is drivable. The steering is a bit screwed up - surely the wheels are out of alignment now. Now starts the hassle of dealing with insurance agents, adjusters, and figuring out how to get the Defender fixed up. Questions: 1) I meet the insurance adjuster next Tuesday. What things can I expect him to say? What should I say? 2) Should I be looking for someone special to restore this - or see if a standard body shop can bend these dents out, sand, and paint. Don't think I will need too many parts besides maybe door hinges, new mirror, and I am sure there is stuff I am missing. 3) What about the paint? My truck has been outside since new (I am the original owner). Mechanically it is pretty good. Cosmetically, it has seen better days. If they paint the drivers side, the truck is going to look silly being half new and half old. Can I get them to paint the whole thing? Should I paint the whole car, even if insurance will not pay for it? 4) Anyone have a recommendation of where I 'should' go in the Baltimore area? Even better if they work with my insurance company - USAA. Basically………….I am just pretty sad tonight. Thanks everyone! FLAGG
Sorry to hear about your accident, glad to hear that your not hurt. I just went through this and can tell you about my experience. Find a Rover shop that you can work with. I used Safari HP. There must be one in your area. You should be made whole. Get new parts, fender, door and any other parts that are damaged. Don't let them bang out fenders. Paint, that's up to you. You could take the insurance money and add to it to paint the whole truck, that way you get the truck painted for half price. My truck had nice paint and a good paint shop can match what you have. If it was your fault you might see a rise in your insurance rate. But either way, get it fixed, that's why we have insurance. If you want to call me we can talk about it.

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Old June 16th, 2016, 04:18 AM
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Single lane road, passing on the right. He's in front. Yer kicking yourself now but, that scenario puts you at fault.
Add roll cage to repair bill.
As for paint, shops constantly have to blend old and new paint. If you want to pay to do a full respray, it's going to be your dime for everything else.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 04:50 AM
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Glad your ok, cars can be fixed and or replaced. You cannot. Let us know how USAA handles it, as I insure with them as well.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 06:27 AM
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Maryland is a no fault state so who struck who is not an issue as far as insurance goes. Whether you get a citation for illegal passing is something else. Do not admit fault to police or other driver in any case, should there be action against you.
Damage looks bad but it seems only cosmetic. New door and wing, maybe a sill and floor, then back in bidniz. Paint will match and a deep compound and polish will bring all areas back to snuff.
Take it to Dean at Independent in Bethesda.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 06:39 AM
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Passing someone to the right may not be the best idea but it isn't illegal assuming some law wasn't being violated. You didn't say if there was a ticket issued. By all appearances, he hit you making him at fault. Get everything replaced, not fixed. The tweaked steering could be nothing more than the bulkhead pushed in BUT it could mean chassis damage. Only a competent LR shop, probably not a dealer, should have a go at it even if it means shipping to that location.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 06:40 AM
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DREW!

YES - MY MISTAKE in the write up. I should have said:

"It was obvious he was going to turn to the access road on the LEFT. He came to almost a stop. I moved to the right and was going to go bye."

THANK you for the clarification. Hope I did not make the same mistake talking to my insurance company for an hour yesterday.

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I really do not feel it was my fault. You should see the width of this road, and he has moved all the way to the LEFT, and slowed almost to a stop. I was going by slowly on the right, at least a car width from him. When he turned sharply into me. Almost like he realized he was going to turn the wrong way. He never signaled "right". It was totally obvious he was going LEFT.

I never admitted ANY fault. No ticket from the police. We will see how this end up.

Either way - I am where I am now.

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Thanks for the recommendations on Repair, and where to take it. I am going to start calling around.

Thanks,

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Old June 16th, 2016, 06:55 AM
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Sorry to hear about the incident, but certainly can be fixed. Consider Trevor @ Roverlab....he's only about 80 miles from you up in PA:
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Old June 16th, 2016, 07:09 AM
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Doug is another option a little farther away. Also USAA is great for Auto repair, very quick with responses, and if you have the App on your phone it is helpful. I would make sure that you have somebody who has rebuilt a Defender write up the estimate. I would insist that you check to see of the truck driver is fully qualified with a current DOT physical, etc...
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Thanks for the mention, Jason!
Flagg, I have a body shop nearby, Dan's Auto Body, that I have a great relationship with. I take all of my customer's Rover work there, whether it's collision, renovation, or restoration. They are more than happy to have me involved in the process, answering questions about fit, and assisting with parts procurement. Feel free to contact me if I can be of any assistance. Check out Toddw 's 90 here for recent project pix.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 07:47 AM
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Sorry to hear about the incident, but certainly can be fixed. Consider Trevor @ Roverlab....he's only about 80 miles from you up in PA:
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Yup or you may also check with Treasured Motorcars in Reiserstown, MD.

Just glad you're OK. I was out driving mine yesterday ~35 mph in the left lane on a county road (right lane turns into highway on ramp 500 feet from where I was) with open road ahead of me and some dude flew by me on the right, changed to the left in front of me, then he slammed on his brakes to make a left into a condo complex but had to wait for oncoming traffic to pass. I slammed my brakes and came to within a foot of his bumper. People are idiots.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 07:56 AM
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Flagg,
Phew, (wiping forehead) glad to hear he was going LEFT then turned right into you. I was a police officer a lifetime ago and understand how easy it is to get turned around in the excitement. I also have USAA and they have always been good to me. Good luck.
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Old June 16th, 2016, 08:01 AM
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Trevor,

Thanks for reaching out. I know you have a great reputation on this page. I am going to send you a private message.

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Old June 16th, 2016, 08:11 AM
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Josh, it's true, Treasured is doing some Rover work and has a relationship with a body shop. I know nothing about their knowledge, or even the name of the shop!

Chuck Meyers retired last week, and that leaves only 1 person on staff that I know since I sold it 10 years ago. Really can't comment on their capabilities.
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