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Old January 21st, 2010, 07:17 PM
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95 tail lights on a 94 tub - possible?

O.k. kinda self explanatory in the title but I have a 94 tub and want to put 95/97 tail lights. I don't think the driver's side will be a problem i.e. just take a whole saw and cut to more holes for the other lights. but the passenger's side.... will it work given that there is one center whole for the 94 light and I need to make 2 holes for turn and brake/running. Will it look off-center or will it look even if I cut another whole or.....do I need to try to cover the existing hole with one of the plinths and make a new whole to get them even?
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Old January 21st, 2010, 07:28 PM
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JimC and Surf110 did it to their 110's... Check out the pics in their build pics.
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We just did this to a 110 and did a '94 90 today (but I don't have those pix up yet).
No real issues doing it, just line it all up, change the wiring around and you are good.

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Old January 21st, 2010, 07:42 PM
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I think ECR Mike has talked about this before. If memory serves, (which it may not), I thought he said there was some space conflict with the 94 cage supports (?) and the shape/length of the 95-97 light plugs that caused a problem mounting the later round ones?

Edit: Ah, shows what I know. ECR Mike posted at exactly the same time...
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Old January 21st, 2010, 07:44 PM
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I'd like to hear how this goes as I prefer the 95 look to. I was under the impression you could do it with the existing holes, but maybe I'm wrong.
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Its all new holes and you have to lay it out carefully to cover the existing holes that barely get covered with stock '95-'97 placement.

We use the LEDs so we (or you) can do it to 90s and 110s. You can't install the stock lights on a NAS 110 as the tail/brake lights are too deep and hit the rear cage supports. Not sure about that on a 90 as we have never tried anything but LED installs on them.
I'll have pix of a 94 with 95-97 style LEDs up on a new project on Friday.
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Thanks Mike!
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I will buy the old style 1994 lights if someone removes them, I want to backdate them on my 1995 (I hate 1995 lights).
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 11:09 AM
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Why do you hate the 1995 lights?
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because he's Ron and aesthetics will always be ruthlessly subordinated to function. The 95 lights have lots of problems with sealing, and the 93/94's almost never fail.
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Why do you hate the 1995 lights?

Bulb holders corrode. Not as water proof. Dumb connectors rather than the much loved [by me] bullet connectors.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 04:32 PM
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Ron, just out of curiosity, were you able to use any parts of the ones I sent you?

Also, Clay, Get the LED's from ECR...they really are nice! They are pricey, and god knows I looked for any other source, but I finally bit the bullet and bought them from Mike. I couldn't be happier, and would recommend them to anyone.
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Folks....thanks a bunch! I look forward to Mike's pics to see how they turn out. One of the reasons for the change is I am putting a 95 wiring harness on the 94 tub so I either 1. Chop up the wiring harness or....change the lights.

Ron- what parts are you missing. As the 3 light assembly is pretty standard on GM truck beds I bought a set off of ebay and used the inside plastic chrome coated reflectors on my 94 to make the lights brighter. I may have some spare parts lying around. What I don't have is the metal housing.
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Just looked at the '94 NAS 90 we did and you could not fit the stock 95-97 lights. Same issue as with a 93 110, the roll cage supports would be in the way of the stop/tail lamps. Just FYI.
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As of now I am missing one harness (forget if it is the two side or the three side) and I could use another complete set with harnesses.

Andrew, the stuff you sent me worked great other than the harnesses.
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Ron,

I am converting my '94 to LEDs this weekend and I will consider selling you the old square set.

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I actually like the way the 94 lights look regardless of which function better
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I made the swap from the '94 style tail lights to the round lights. I did this mainly because I had the LED lights sitting in a box from a previous project, and Ron being able to use the square lights pushed me over the edge.

Anyway, it was relatively easy.

Removing the square light bases was the hardest part as the little nuts were rusted in place and there is no easy way to get to the bolt head, so I just drilled the bolt heads out. Once the square light bases are out, I needed to mount the round plinths, and drill two little holes for each plinth's mounting bolts.

Good thing is, the bolts for the square lights passes through holes in the direct center of the light position. This center opening is the center point for the round lights as well. So I simply made a template out of thin cardboard that had holes for the center opening, and the two bolt holes that needed to be drilled. They are at something like 2 oclock and 7olcock approximately. I then drilled the holes, mounted the plinths with some stainless hardware, hardwired the LEDs in and DONE!

The only other thing to note is that the wiring harness for the square lights passes through a large hole that is just barely covered completely by the new plinth. But it is covered. Also, I needed to make the bolts holes slightly larger as that is where the wiring is run now with the round lights.

I can snap some more pics of the actually hole locations and template is anyone is interested.
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