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Old October 30th, 2012, 12:41 PM
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95' RRC No Start Issue

Troubleshooting for a buddy who hasn't heard of the interweb. Hopefully when he figures out how to turn on his computer he'll chime in.

When driving home after a carwash and washing under the hood he had a small fire under the right hand dash. Clearly something shorted. He burned up about 20" of a harness and has replaced the burned out section. The only issue was that there were multiple wires of the same color - small gauge green.

With everything "fixed", he has power, but the starter won't even crank. It's like something isn't telling the starter to turn.

I know it's a bit vague at this point, but he's been working this for several weeks and is about to push his truck off a cliff.

Anyone?
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Old October 30th, 2012, 12:45 PM
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Have you tried the screwdriver test to see if it is the starter solenoid?
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Old October 30th, 2012, 12:56 PM
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After replacing all of the melted wires, everything now has power. On turning the key, there is nothing...no clicks and no dimming of lights. I have gone through all of the fuses. The only one that was blown was the 100amp alternator fuse. It has been replace, but still have the same results.
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After replacing all of the melted wires, everything now has power. On turning the key, there is nothing...no clicks and no dimming of lights. I have gone through all of the fuses. The only one that was blown was the 100amp alternator fuse. It has been replace, but still have the same results.
Do what Bill said and jump the solenoid and report back.
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Okay, went over to Jim's house today to troubleshoot the issue. Burned harness appears repaired okay. I was able to run a new wire to the starter solinoid to get the truck to turn over and run. Everything else appears normal.

Are there any fuses or relays in the starting circuit?
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 12:52 PM
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Does it have the ganglia of fusible links? One of them coulda fried, especially in a fire situation. Not sure about '95s as they are their own species.
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Check the neutral safety relay, right hand kick panel
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Old November 2nd, 2012, 01:18 PM
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I've got an old paper copy of the ETM for a '95 from the pre-RAVE days y'all can have....from what I can remember it's a 22 volume set that comes with it's own set of hand trucks to move around and a trauma kit to use when your head explodes trying to decipher it.....
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No fusible links on a 1995. I would guess the wire to the ignition is melted.
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No fusible links on a 1995. I would guess the wire to the ignition is melted.
You would think so, but the ignition wire goes to the drivers side of the truck in the engine bay and then enters the interior, but the part of the harness that burned is on the right side of the truck. I am sure it's all related, but we can't seem to figure out why it gets no juice.
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That's why I'm thinking it might be in the loop to the neutral relay since it's on the right side.
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That's why I'm thinking it might be in the loop to the neutral relay since it's on the right side.
Any idea of which of the 15 relays on the right side it is? There 5 or 6 above the glove box, and another 5 or 6 at the kick panel.

By neutral relay, you are saying it's the relay that won't let the truck start if it's in gear, right?
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The NSS on the trans activates a relay that's behind the kick panel, let me see if I have the Rave info on my work computer...
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The NSS on the trans activates a relay that's behind the kick panel, let me see if I have the Rave info on my work computer...
Ahhh, knew there was a switch, but didn't think there was a relay too. Of course everything has a relay in a RRC
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Think it's K137......
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Think it's K137......
Dood, you're the man. We'll check it shortly....
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If that relay isn't energized it won't crank.

Had a '95, less than 1 yrs old, NSS went out, had a trip planned, dealership 200 miles away, ran a jumper wire to the relay temporarily for the trip.....
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