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Old March 17th, 2011, 09:35 AM
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'95 D90 - Rust Bucket?

If you come across an undercarriage like this do you buy it or run away fast?

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Old March 17th, 2011, 09:43 AM
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George I guess it depends on price. Ive seen worse. Looks like mostly surface rust.
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Old March 17th, 2011, 09:46 AM
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Looks like normal east coast rust like I used to see in CT to me. You can always replace that rear crossmember. It's what is going on under that gas tank skid plate you can't see.

The decision to buy lies in how much work you are willing to do and the price. What are they asking? How is the rest of the truck in terms of condition.

These pics wouldn't scare me away.

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Old March 17th, 2011, 10:05 AM
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New rear crossmember at a minimum. I dont see any holes but you know they are there. I can only imagine what the inside of that frame looks like. Whats the market price on a truck like this?? $15k.....?? less? We never see them like this in Texas. That salt is a bitch. LR needs an oil pan that leaks onto the frame, not onto the driveway.
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Old March 17th, 2011, 10:16 AM
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The body is in good condition and the interior is typical. It does have rust on the driver side floorboard. The drivetrain runs well with 110,000 miles, but there are quite a bit of rusty engine components as well. It's like the thing sat in a damp environment unused for quite some time. Asking is $19,500.

My biggest concern is what is going on in places that you can't see, such as inside the frame.

This begs the question, what's an appropriate price for this truck?
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Old March 17th, 2011, 10:27 AM
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George, is this the truck you just bought?
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Old March 17th, 2011, 10:37 AM
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Hey Josh - Almost bought, pending further inspection.
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Old March 17th, 2011, 10:47 AM
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I thought the price on this one was interesting at $19k.
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Old March 17th, 2011, 10:56 AM
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Interesting, yes, but who knows what's going on underneath that truck as well.

------ Follow up post added March 17th, 2011 10:58 AM ------

What's the repalcement cost of an installed rear crossmember?
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Old March 17th, 2011, 11:19 AM
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Mid x-member under tranny, be careful, the mating surface of the frame could be rusted through!

Good luck...

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I'd have to see pics but I'd say $15K max which is what I paid for a similar truck with a little less rust.

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The body is in good condition and the interior is typical. It does have rust on the driver side floorboard. The drivetrain runs well with 110,000 miles, but there are quite a bit of rusty engine components as well. It's like the thing sat in a damp environment unused for quite some time. Asking is $19,500.

My biggest concern is what is going on in places that you can't see, such as inside the frame.

This begs the question, what's an appropriate price for this truck?
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Old March 17th, 2011, 11:52 AM
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Not terrible, but now is the time to abate the rust. There will likely be holes behind the trans crossmember, and the rear tub under the sill under the tailgate will have issues. Neither are insurmountable, but the trans crossmember should be removed asap and checked and cleaned.

Rear crossmember looks like it can survive a few more years, but if the skid plate has had it, I would do both at once. Budget ~$1500 for that job.
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I would say at $15,000 is not horrible.

Figure you will need to throw $2000 at it.
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No bulkhead pics?

This is your decision, but this is my take... Fell in love with them at 18, 10 years later.... I have been serious about buying one for the last 3 or so years. I recently found a cali one here locally (military guy), with almost no rust, for 17k. new tcase, trans, engine rebuilt, too many new parts to list. My case is the exception, but if you wait, you will find a similar deal.

But, and this is a big but...if you can live with the condition, and have the ability (time, space, tools, etc) to repair things as necessary, then this truck might be good for you. I would pay 12-15 max. But, Im cheap.

think of it like this...if you get that truck for 14grand, and put new crossmember in, seals, sand current rust- apply protection, redo footwells, etc.... will you be kicking yourself when you see one that is a lot nice for 21k and save yourself the hassel?

best of luck.

edit: its not how much work you are willing to do. its how much you CAN do. do you have tools, space, access to a lift? not having these just adds to your cost. sitting on your back gets old real fast.

maybe im too much of a pessimist.
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Old March 17th, 2011, 12:06 PM
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The mid crossmember is definitely a big concern. If there are holes can it be repaired or is the frame done?

This is not a northeastern truck. It's in the South and spent time in VA and FL. However, it appears as if it may have seen some good beach time or spent a lot of time near the water.
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Why bother? I say just keep looking and find a much better truck for that price. The right Rover takes a long time to find.

This truck is right by me. It's got similar miles and probably has a lot less rust if any at all since it's a CA truck (can't really tell from pics):

http://www.chequeredflag.com/detail-...d-6686679.html

Only thing questionable is the Auto conversion which could be a plus or a minus depending on what you're looking for. Looks like they are asking just a bit more too. Price is always negotiable.
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Old March 17th, 2011, 12:24 PM
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Interesting truck. Underbody rust seems to be a fact of life for those of us not in Texas or California. What's your threshold? .

I think outside of the D-90 Source world, that's probably easily a $20K+ truck. People here know too much about these things to pay market value! Think about all the $40K trucks you see on eBay.

It looks like a great candidate for encapsulate and enjoy. If you keep it forever, put a new frame on somewhere down the line. Not every truck has to look like Barry's used to before his delamination to be valuable.

And, not that my truck is the underbody rust reference point, but parts of the bottom of that truck are better than mine, parts are worse - rust is a tempestuous bitch. All in all, like Ron said, if you take care if it now. Nothing looks too far gone.
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Old March 17th, 2011, 12:53 PM
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In the UK that would be a good frame...
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Wish my frame looked half that good when I got it. Just know that somewhere down the road it is going to need some help. But it looks to me that you could drive it for a while and enjoy.
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