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Old June 4th, 2007, 11:05 AM
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93 D110 auto transmission conversion

I am looking to put an automatic in my 93 110. What is anyone's experience on this. I assume the hardest part is finding the shift console. What else should I expect.
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Old June 4th, 2007, 02:05 PM
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All technical aspects aside, I saw a few shifter parts for sale on the Rovers Down South site.
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Old June 4th, 2007, 02:44 PM
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The biggest cost is the counsole from a 97 defender to make it look factory. The shifter and whatnot are all disco I parts. Note the different flywheel/torque converter combos. Get everything from the same truck (personally, the 22hd out of an lwb would be my choice, but use the disco I shifter to match the 97 D-90s--of course a complete disco I would be fine to pull the parts out of).
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I am looking to put an automatic in my 93 110. What is anyone's experience on this. I assume the hardest part is finding the shift console. What else should I expect.

Its not a big deal. The only thing we see folks forget is to tie it into the EFI (easy to do) so that it runs right at idle in gear. Just remember you'll loose some HP with the auto... it makes a stock 3.9 110 feel pretty sluggish. Only other caution is that if you don't use an interlock 1.4 transfer case you will have the ability to shift the gearbox and the transfer case at the same time (something the 97 D90s don't allow you to do). Thats not a big dela, its just something to remember when you are going to shift the transfer case.
http://www.eastcoastrover.com/128.html
shows some details.
Console you can use the repos if you like and we are now making the CD and non-CD inserts for the 97 style console.
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Old June 4th, 2007, 05:17 PM
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Yeah, I'd seriously wonder if you really want to put an auto behind the stock 3.9 (if that is what you have). I remember my 110 being bad enough with the manual. I couldn't imagine be satisfied with losing even more power through the auto. But everyone has a different comfort zone...
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Old June 4th, 2007, 05:38 PM
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Actually I hope to go with a 300TDI in the future, just can't spend that kind of money right now. I am willing to sacrifice HP now knowing I will have the torque later. Thanks Mike for info I will email you about the console
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Old June 4th, 2007, 06:26 PM
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Robert - You might be disappointed running the ZF behind the 300 Tdi as well. I just put a 2.8 in my 110, and I'm running a ZF. I believe the 2.8 in stock tune puts out quite a bit more torque than the 300 Tdi. I mainly went with the ZF because I was concerned about clutch life. But I may be re-thinking that depending upon how the 2.8 responds to some tweaking. Right now it's fairly sluggish with the ZF, 1.4 TC, 3.54's, and 33's.
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A 300 tdi behind a 5spd is sluggish enough, I think you will really hate it behind an automatic. Even if you really tweak the little engine out.
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Thanks for all the replys so far I will have to think this one out carefully.
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Selling your D110?

I thought you were trying to sell your D110. I sold my first D110, then spent well over a year finding another D110. I am considering a 4.6 with a ZF auto for mine. These guys make the console...

http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co.uk/part_56.html
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Old June 4th, 2007, 09:47 PM
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Thanks for the info. I was selling, but my heart was not in it. Pressure from another source if you get my drift. I figured the same thing would happen, I would get rid of it than spend my life looking for another. It really is an awesome truck. I just would like to not have to shift.
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Old June 5th, 2007, 10:37 AM
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Thanks for the info. I was selling, but my heart was not in it. Pressure from another source if you get my drift. I figured the same thing would happen, I would get rid of it than spend my life looking for another. It really is an awesome truck. I just would like to not have to shift.
A move to an auto seems like it would require something with a lot more power. An older 3.9, in a 110 no less, could only feel like even more of a big old school bus with a slushbox. You might even miss the shifting. Once driving a Disco I after owning my truck for a while, the auto felt like a real drag.
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A 300 tdi behind a 5spd is sluggish enough, I think you will really hate it behind an automatic. Even if you really tweak the little engine out.
Ditto that. After driving a ('96 Disco I) 300Tdi-5spd for a few minutes, my truck ('96 Disco I 4.0L V8) feels like a rocket!

Can't compare with a 2.8L, but the 300Tdi is probably underpowered for an autobox experience _if_ you feel like your 3.9L is sluggish already.

Now..... Compared to a 2.5L N/A (1985) 110, the 300Tdi Disco feels like a rocket!
Any chance you can look into the Defender 2007 diesel Engine? Lots of torque at low RPM, might be a better fit for an autobox (but the 2.8L seems to be a better choice?).
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I am willing to look at any combo. I am not really in a hurry and that is the nice thing about this forum, it gives you a chance to get input from others who either tried something that worked or something that didn't.
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Old June 5th, 2007, 02:32 PM
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If you're focused on a diesel, you should be aware that the 300 Tdi and 2.8 are getting harder to obtain and more expensive. You might also consider a used TD5. I know a conversion that was done locally here in San Diego, and I know Keith at Rovertracks is working on one as well. And I'm sure Pendy would be willing to tackle one for anyone willing to ship their truck to him. From what I've heard, a chipped TD5 runs quite well. I'm not a big fan of the electronics, but if you're Ok with that, it's another option. Also, check into your local regs for getting the diesel registered. Generally not a problem, but the longer you wait it could become a problem as emissions requirements become tighter.
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On the topic of the auto conversion, I am not sure if the 110 tunnel is any different than the 90, but on a 90 it is possibe to to convert to an auto and not put in an auto console. On mine the shifter comes up through the stock gearshifter boot and looks pretty clean.

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Not sure either but I'll check into it. Thanks
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Old June 5th, 2007, 05:47 PM
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I also did the same thing (i.e. didn't use the shifter console). A friend made a bracket to locate a Lokar shifter in the same position as the stock manual shifter. So yes, it can be done on a 110 without using the auto shifter console. Just depends on what kind of shifter/look you want.
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After many years of needing an auto in the 110 Tdi I've decided the way to go is with a GM V6/V8, 700R4 and an adaptor to the LT230, which i already have.

I'm getting 25mpg with the 300 Tdi in spirited driving and fair/good performance with a 3-in exhaust once on the move. If I can get 20mpg with a GM EFI setup I'm there. The extra 5mpg with the Tdi just isn't worth the nuisances; slow starts, slow acceleration, gutless on hills unless you "prepare" for them.

The convenience of an auto, the great power from a GM motor and the cost effectiveness of it all just can't be beat.

Now, someone tell me - can I get 20+mpg from this Gm combo?
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Which GM V6/V8 are you thinking about?
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