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Old April 23rd, 2013, 06:05 PM
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5 speed vs auto

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I'm new to this forum but not to Defenders. Have had several in the past in including a 95 NAS D90 and a NAS 110. Both of these had manual transmissions. I'm currently in the market for another D90 but am really considering a 97 NAS for the auto tranny. Any thoughts out there on reliability, longevity, better fuel economy, etc. between the two. Not to mention the simple ease of use with the auto. Interested in any thoughts.

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Old April 23rd, 2013, 06:32 PM
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Hello,
I'm new to this forum but not to Defenders. Have had several in the past in including a 95 NAS D90 and a NAS 110. Both of these had manual transmissions. I'm currently in the market for another D90 but am really considering a 97 NAS for the auto tranny. Any thoughts out there on reliability, longevity, better fuel economy, etc. between the two. Not to mention the simple ease of use with the auto. Interested in any thoughts.

Thanks,
The difference in quickness is very noticable at first. I've owned both and it took some time for me to get used to the auto but I enjoy it now. Traffic is easier and difficult situations off road can be easier. Economics seem about the same for me because I tend to drive stick harder even though they aren't suspose to be race cars.

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Old April 23rd, 2013, 06:43 PM
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The auto's typically bring more money... and are easier to resell. I like both, but I think the auto's are better for off-roading.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 06:43 PM
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Had a D2 that would get about 14mpg, the 5 speed D90 would get 16mpg, i would say that is pretty much even considering the D2 was bigger. If you want an auto, buy and auto, i think thats what this will boil down too.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 07:56 PM
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Thanks for all the quick input. As I've gotten older, the trill of the manual transmission has worn off a bit, unless of coarse you are driving a Lotus Elise. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't giving up some unknown feature I was unaware of.

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Old April 23rd, 2013, 08:54 PM
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On the longevity auto wins hands down over the stick shifts.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 10:44 PM
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I have always heard it is WAY cheaper to replace a gear, or even the whole set of gears with a manual. A 1997 auto is now 16 years old........so how long will it be before you have to replace that WHOLE auto assembly? And at what cost?? I know there are people on this site far more educated than me on this topic..........

I guess it comes down to personal preference? Do you sit in traffic all day? Do you like shift your gears?

For me, Automatic bores me to death. I think for the rugged D90's, in manual, just 'feels' right in the truck. I mean seriously.......what is really easy or 'automatic' in owning that vehicle

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Old April 23rd, 2013, 10:48 PM
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You can't power shift an autobox home when it dies (admittedly with a ZF this is rare if you've paid any attention to it, but these are Rovers).

Without a doubt the auto is easier for day to day driving and doing intricate offroading.

On the other hand the 5 speed makes you feel like part of the truck; on and offroad.
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And with an auto, you can eat cheese burgers, text your girlfriend, fiddle with the stereo and sip your Big Gulp. All at the same time!
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Old April 24th, 2013, 08:54 AM
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Big Gulp, texting and driving all at the same time. Wow! This automatic experience is really opening doors for me in the realm of modern convenience.
Seriously, I have a 71 IIA which is built for the off road. The Defender will be more my daily driver with the occasional weekend of getting out and off road. It's the sitting in traffic outside on Chicago where the auto feels like the correct choice. I do agree, a stick shift does really connect you with the truck.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 09:32 AM
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And with an auto, you can eat cheese burgers, text your girlfriend, fiddle with the stereo and sip your Big Gulp. All at the same time!
Do you know hard it was not to change up few words in your post....

Auto all the way. Very, very few scenarios where manual is required over auto.
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I haven't driven many automatic diesels. But Jim Cirbo's 90 and Charlie Haigh's LWB classic both seem to do well. Having logged a couple hundred thousand miles in manuals I'm growing more and more partial to auto's especially for towing which I do a lot of. I have a tdi auto box on a pallet in the shop for some future project. With v8's I would choose the auto everytime.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 01:34 PM
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Autos do not like to be submerged in water. So if you plan on playing in water maybe manual is better
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The ZF auto behind a V8 is bullet proof is serviced (and often even if not).

The Lt77 and R380, not as much. Synchro wear, spline wear on the outputs (avoidable, but many already have suffered), various bearing and shaft failures.

The only real downsides to an auto IMHO are that the proper defender center consol is expensive and the 97s seem to command a premium to the 94/95.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 02:26 PM
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Swapped out the manual for a ZF auto on my '93 110. Best thing I every did. Now I can fiddle with my cheeseburger and eat my g...................
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The ZF is one of the best slush boxes made but it's darn near impossible to push start your truck equipped with one if the starter fails...
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Impossible, not damn near impossible.

Then again, starters usually give some warning and a smack with a hammer or shorting the solinoid gets them turning again.
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Completely stock in my 90, first gear, low range about 46:1. Not too many autos will be geared that low.

I really was wishing for an automatic when I got stuck halfway up a hill at SCARR. I made it worse when I asked a buddy to pull slightly on the hand throttle and he pulled it wide open and it stuck there!
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I wouldn't say bullet proof, as I was able to bust one in the classic two Xmases ago. Just picked up my Chinese food. Got in, put in drive and BANG. It was "properly serviced" with new filter and stuff the previous summer.
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I prefer manuals to autos. I don't like waiting for the truck to respond to downshifts. For everyday driving, the auto is nice.
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