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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:21 PM
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4.6 upgrade, $35,000????, etc

Previous owner of 95 ST Conniston Green, just bought a 94 ST Conniston Green today.
Checked underneath the vehicle to see exactly what I was getting. Already has upgraded stainless steel oil cooler lines. Good. Oil light goes on at idle. Ehhh.

1) I noticed a tank beneath the tub for a Badger fire suppression system. Anyone heard of such a thing? Going to trace the pipes and stuff tomorrow to see how this thing works.

2) I randomly called up ECR to get a quote for a 4.6 upgrade. Engine runs fine, with 150k miles. But just in case, curiosity. They quote me $35,000. Yes, not $3500. $35,000.

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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:31 PM
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2) I randomly called up ECR to get a quote for a 4.6 upgrade. Engine runs fine, with 150k miles. But just in case, curiosity. They quote me $35,000. Yes, not $3500. $35,000.

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Will Tillery has a 4.6 motor for sale right now for $1000.

You could swap it out in a weekend with a few of your friends.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:36 PM
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:43 PM
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I picked up a 3.9 with 56k in it known runner for well under a grand
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Old July 16th, 2013, 10:47 PM
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Well the 3.9 is running fine for now. I keep on thinking the $35,000 was a misquote. Anyone get major work or upgrades done by ECR, and how much did it cost? Their reputation seems stellar, from what I could tell.
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I think it depends on their workload. For grins, a year and a half ago I asked about engine swap and they were less than half of that. I was not looking at the pursuit engine but just a 4.6. I think there are plenty other additions that could add to the price but I was just looking for the engine. There was some available capacity with their mechanics so that must have played a role. They did mention if I needed body shop time, get on the waiting list.
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2) I randomly called up ECR to get a quote for a 4.6 upgrade. Engine runs fine, with 150k miles. But just in case, curiosity. They quote me $35,000. Yes, not $3500. $35,000.

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When you start pricing everything out with all new Genuine parts, cleaning/sandblasting/painting any old parts, and labour, I can see how it would be that much. It'd be a waste of money unless it is a show car IMO.

For that kind of money, I would be building a TVR 5.0l, and not a 4.6L.
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I think you can get a top notch 4.6 at Turner in the UK for a fraction of this price.
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Im sure ECR swap looks like it was does at the factory. Build you a 4.6 and swap it yourself.
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Back to your 3.9. The previous owner may have had the oil changed at a lube shop and the wrong oil/filter may have been used. Change the oil, install a quality filter and use 20w-50 (hot weather) and then check your oil pressure with a guage. Chances are it's fine.

As far as the 4.6 goes...IMHO ECR does excellent work but if you want to tackle some of the work yourself, you can save some money. The Rover V8 is basically an American engine from the '60s and any good engine builder should be able to rebuild a 4.6 into what you want.
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When you start pricing everything out with all new Genuine parts, cleaning/sandblasting/painting any old parts, and labour, I can see how it would be that much. It'd be a waste of money unless it is a show car IMO.

For that kind of money, I would be building a TVR 5.0l, and not a 4.6L.
Very True. A brand new( not rebuilt) in the factory crate 4.6 is not cheap. I think most of you would be surprised at "that" cost alone. While I'm not here trying to support ECR's fee's or shop, I will say that the whole time I worked there I have never witnessed a truck come back for rework due to poor workmanship, etc. The check out list/sheets that the techs fill out surpass any checkout sheet you would find at a dealership. It's quite thorough.

With that said, for 35K, I would build something far better than a 4.6, or any Rover V8 for that fact.

My advice is to find a reputable shop close to you and source a 4.6 on your own. It's a straightforward swap.
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Let me add, I didn't meant to imply ECR doesn't do nice work.
They do.
There is a retired doctor here in Va that has 6 or 7 trucks that were "done up" by ECR.
I looked them over a few years ago and they were nice.
But it will cost you.

So like Jimmy said, if you're doing a fresh Gen-yoo-wine 4.6 build at ECR; I can see where $35K is the total.
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ECR is probably just politely telling you they don't want/need the business. No different than a law firm gouging clients that want unnecesary legal opinions on everthing under the sun. Their time can be spent on projects that bring bigger margins with less risk and greater certainty. That's good business.

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ECR is probably just politely telling you they don't want/need the business. No different than a law firm gouging clients that want unnecesary legal opinions on everthing under the sun. Their time can be spent on projects that bring bigger margins with less risk and greater certainty. That's good business.

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Could be, but that would be a shitty move on their part. They'd be better off just saying they don't have time and maybe recommending a shop that does.
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Could be, but that would be a shitty move on their part. They'd be better off just saying they don't have time and maybe recommending a shop that does.
You're forgetting something. They're the ONLY shop.
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Why do some think Defenders are difficult to work on to justify a premium? No reason to perpetuate this mystique as these trucks are rudimentary at best. Paying $35k for a 4.6 install is plain stupid. Yet it appears the boutique shops that market to this crowd run a healthy business to be selective with their clientele. More power to them.
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Why do some think Defenders are difficult to work on to justify a premium? No reason to perpetuate this mystique as these trucks are rudimentary at best. Paying $35k for a 4.6 install is plain stupid. Yet it appears the boutique shops that market to this crowd run a healthy business to be selective with their clientele. More power to them.
a change in displacement and possibly a rechip of the ECU, not even an engine conversion.
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Why do some think Defenders are difficult to work on to justify a premium? No reason to perpetuate this mystique as these trucks are rudimentary at best. Paying $35k for a 4.6 install is plain stupid. Yet it appears the boutique shops that market to this crowd run a healthy business to be selective with their clientele. More power to them.
I agree and add God bless America. If some people will pay these prices, then why not ask for it, I would. Free country and free market. I won't pay these prices, but I'm cheap.
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