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Old February 18th, 2014, 09:23 PM
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300TDi won't start

Well I popped my LR Breakdown cherry, my 300TDi equipped D1 wont start.
Its not the battery and Autozone said its not the alternator.
Luckily my fraternity brothers were able help me push it and we roll started it.

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Old February 18th, 2014, 09:25 PM
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fuel shut off solenoid getting 12v ?
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Old February 18th, 2014, 09:30 PM
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fuel shut off solenoid getting 12v ?
No idea, how do I check
Looking for my manual now.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 09:33 PM
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Look for the one wire to the injection pump. Listen for it clicking when you turn on the ignition. Check for power at that lead.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 09:45 PM
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You roll/pop started it? Could we just be talking about a bad starter here? I'd think if it was the fuel solenoid that a pop-start wouldn't work regardless.
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Old February 18th, 2014, 09:56 PM
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You roll/pop started it? Could we just be talking about a bad starter here? I'd think if it was the fuel solenoid that a pop-start wouldn't work regardless.
Well shit, that's expensive... 499.99 from RN

Earlier today it wont start then we opened the bonnet and it started up.
Two hours later it wont start without the roll.
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Well shit, that's expensive... 499.99 from RN

Earlier today it wont start then we opened the bonnet and it started up.
Two hours later it wont start without the roll.
Does it click or turn over when you try to start it? Or literally do you get nothing when it's the no-start situation?

I think I found some alternate Tdi starter sources that were in the $200-300 range, let me check...but don't start buying parts just yet!
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Old February 18th, 2014, 09:58 PM
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Check that all of the electrical connections are clean and tight. Sounds like a loose connection.
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Does it click or turn over when you try to start it? Or literally do you get nothing when it's the no-start situation?
Nothing at all, not a squeak. The dash lights dim light normal but no movement or sound.
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Check that all of the electrical connections are clean and tight. Sounds like a loose connection.
Agreed. I'd even start with something as simple as the connections on the battery and work out from there. Once I had my battery out in the 90 and just popped the terminals on by hand and forgot about it. Got a ways down the road before total electrical failure .

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Nothing at all, not a squeak. The dash lights dim light normal but no movement or sound.
Hmmm...could also be a faulty ignition switch. My Tdi would do that from time-to-time, and finally determined it was the switch. In that situation for me it was intermittent, but when the switch went in the 90 it was a total failure with no warning. So hard to say for sure and a bad switch can give slightly different symptoms.

But you do have dash lights/etc correct? If that's the case, I'd put money on the starter or the ignition switch. But the pop-start I'd lean towards a starter, but the ignition switch is cheap enough (~$30 or so) it may make sense to start there. Even if you replace that and it's not it, just stick the old one in the cubby as a spare - trust me you'll need it at some point.
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You roll/pop started it? Could we just be talking about a bad starter here? I'd think if it was the fuel solenoid that a pop-start wouldn't work regardless.
X2. Go for the cheapest solution first which is confirming strong/secure connections. Starters are expensive, but shouldn't be $500. Look elsewhere once you confirm that indeed the starter (and not just the connection(s)) is the issue.
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Agreed. I'd even start with something as simple as the connections on the battery and work out from there. Once I had my battery out in the 90 and just popped the terminals on by hand and forgot about it. Got a ways down the road before total electrical failure .

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Hmmm...could also be a faulty ignition switch. My Tdi would do that from time-to-time, and finally determined it was the switch. In that situation for me it was intermittent, but when the switch went in the 90 it was a total failure with no warning. So hard to say for sure and a bad switch can give slightly different symptoms.

But you do have dash lights/etc correct? If that's the case, I'd put money on the starter or the ignition switch. But the pop-start I'd lean towards a starter, but the ignition switch is cheap enough (~$30 or so) it may make sense to start there. Even if you replace that and it's not it, just stick the old one in the cubby as a spare - trust me you'll need it at some point.
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Starters are simple items internally. Do you feel comfortable disassembling it ?

You could also take it to a local auto electric shop and have them go through it. Mine is 12 years old & 150K miles. I had to take it apart & clean it up about 1-1/2 years ago. They get dust and grime inside & also the oil/grease on the solenoid gets sticky after a decade.
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Starters are simple items internally. Do you feel comfortable disassembling it ?

You could also take it to a local auto electric shop and have them go through it. Mine is 12 years old & 150K miles. I had to take it apart & clean it up about 1-1/2 years ago. They get dust and grime inside & also the oil/grease on the solenoid gets sticky after a decade.
I have no mechanically experience, putting on the engine cover the other day was my first foray[into the engine bay]. I am, however, willing to learn. Will take it out tomorrow
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Don't take out the starter until After you have confirmed that all of the connections and clean and tight.
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Granted I don't have a tdi but it does sound like an ignition switch to me like Lav mentioned. Had the same problem with my NAS- easier and cheaper than replacing a starter only to later find it was the switch!

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I had intermittent starter problems 2 years ago that plagued me for a month, and it ended up being a loose and dirty starter cable at the union under the turbo. brass brush and tightening the nut solved my issue. this would account for all dash gauges working, but only sometimes starting.
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I would check that the ground cable is properly secured to the chassis and transfer box.
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Does it click or turn over when you try to start it? Or literally do you get nothing when it's the no-start situation?

I think I found some alternate Tdi starter sources that were in the $200-300 range, let me check...but don't start buying parts just yet!
Let me know what you find
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