300 tdi first start???? - Page 2 - Defender Source
Defender Source  

Go Back   Defender Source > Defender & Series Technical Discussions > Defender Technical Discussions


Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #21  
Old June 23rd, 2011, 07:30 AM
rijosho's Avatar
rijosho
Status: Offline
Joshua
1995 Black ST - Rhinolined edition
Research Assistant/Eagle Eyes
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: NYC
Posts: 16,557
Registry
Wow she's a beaut!
__________________
Quote:
I am talking purely from an aesthetics standpoint.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #22  
Old June 24th, 2011, 10:15 AM
dogbite's Avatar
dogbite
Status: Offline
Paul D
95 D90 ST & SW
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Boulder CO
Posts: 336
Registry
Quote:
Originally Posted by rijosho View Post
Wow she's a beaut!
thanks... I'll post more pictures when I get it running... almost all done... just need to get it running....

well much to my dismay it looks like the timing might be to blame here.... I'll be tearing into it and will post the results I find
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old June 25th, 2011, 10:58 AM
dogbite's Avatar
dogbite
Status: Offline
Paul D
95 D90 ST & SW
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Boulder CO
Posts: 336
Registry
so... the cam gear happened to be 180 degrees off.... I timed it the first time with #1 at TDC of its non compression stroke... anyway fixed that and put it back together, hit the key and she fired up and ran for 20-30 seconds and then stalled...

now it doesent want to even try and start......wtf is going on here??? now I'm back to blaming the fuel....

QUESTION.. when you bleed the injectors at the engine, should fuel be spraying out or just wheep from the loose nut?
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
  #24  
Old June 25th, 2011, 12:29 PM
diesel_jim's Avatar
diesel_jim
Status: Offline
Jamie Austin
1992 110 Td5 CSW & 1989 MB G-Wagen
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Wiltshire, UK
Posts: 1,449
You should get a spurt at each pipe when the injector is trying to fire. a little more than a weep, but not a full on "gush"

lift pump? breather on the fuel cap? (try running it with the filler cap off)

feed/return pipes the wrong way round? so it's emptying the filter then stopping?
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old June 25th, 2011, 06:16 PM
kevkon's Avatar
kevkon
Status: Offline
kevin
1994 D90 300tdi #730, SIII 88
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: chester,nj
Posts: 673
Could be that in doing all of the work on the fuel system when you thought that was the problem , you missed something or need to thoroughly bleed it.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old June 25th, 2011, 07:02 PM
defeyago's Avatar
defeyago
Status: Offline
Santiago
“96 Defender 110 VGTdi SW County
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Posts: 228
Registry
Let me see if I can put it in understandable english. Are you shure is not getting off timing because of a faulty key at the front end of the camshaft or something in the timing gear that is coming loose and making it fail?

Valves, shaft rocker... is everything fine there??

Best regards,
__________________
SANTIAGO
“96 Defender 110 VGTdi SW County
“97 Defender 110 Tdi SW
“04 Freelander Td4 5 dr.
“97 Alfa Romeo 146 TD (Sold)
“95 Volvo 850 GLT Estate
“94 Discovery Tdi (Webasto equipped)
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old June 25th, 2011, 07:13 PM
revor's Avatar
revor
Status: Offline
Keith Kreutzer
Old beat up 110
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Longmont, Colorado
Posts: 998
Quote:
Originally Posted by defeyago View Post
Let me see if I can put it in understandable english. Are you shure is not getting off timing because of a faulty key at the front end of the camshaft or something in the timing gear that is coming loose and making it fail?

Valves, shaft rocker... is everything fine there??

Best regards,
This is what we looked at yesterday, I haven't heard back from Paul yet..
__________________
Keith

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.



Big, Red and ... aaa Red..
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old June 25th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Oxcart13's Avatar
Oxcart13
Status: Offline
Mark M
D110
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 393
Good move, Paul. The best thing you can do at this point is bribe Keith with beer.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old June 26th, 2011, 09:58 AM
dogbite's Avatar
dogbite
Status: Offline
Paul D
95 D90 ST & SW
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Boulder CO
Posts: 336
Registry
well took it back down to the timing case and took all of it back apart again to check the cam gear for slipage.... NOT the case... the cam gear has a boss( fixed pin) that fits right into the cam itself therefore there is no way it could ever slip....

so now the timing is right where it should be and all of the valves are operating as they should be but still no starting... im gonna take the lift pump out again and mess with it...??? don't know what else to blame besides the injection pump?
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old June 26th, 2011, 03:08 PM
Hoosier's Avatar
Hoosier
Status: Offline
Chris Hinkle
More than I need
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 634
If you're getting fuel to the IP and there is not an obstruction in the air - sounds like the IP may be the culprit at this point.
__________________
____________________
Chris Hinkle
Current project - D110 with extended cab and LS3
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old June 27th, 2011, 04:41 PM
dogbite's Avatar
dogbite
Status: Offline
Paul D
95 D90 ST & SW
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Boulder CO
Posts: 336
Registry
so turns out the fuel filter hosing was sucking air threw the bleed bolt, so I removed the filter for now and put the 4-7psi electric fuel pump in the line and it tries to start just wont start.... I can still get it to start if I mess with the screw just above the seliniod but it dosent run good and smokes like hell.... wtf... anyone have a good spare IP? thought they were good forever.....?
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old June 27th, 2011, 06:50 PM
defeyago's Avatar
defeyago
Status: Offline
Santiago
“96 Defender 110 VGTdi SW County
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Posts: 228
Registry
I have one but a little far away... I have it left from when I exchanged the original 300tdi“s IP for the one of the International HS PS2.8.

Anyways as you say these are hard to kill.

Regards,
__________________
SANTIAGO
“96 Defender 110 VGTdi SW County
“97 Defender 110 Tdi SW
“04 Freelander Td4 5 dr.
“97 Alfa Romeo 146 TD (Sold)
“95 Volvo 850 GLT Estate
“94 Discovery Tdi (Webasto equipped)
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old June 27th, 2011, 07:47 PM
dogbite's Avatar
dogbite
Status: Offline
Paul D
95 D90 ST & SW
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Boulder CO
Posts: 336
Registry
sent you an email Santiago.....
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old June 27th, 2011, 08:41 PM
Capt Milks's Avatar
Capt Milks
Status: Offline
Mike
Defender V-8, Defender 2.25
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 1,801
If you take the pump to a good shop that re-builds injection pumps they can tell you if it is the problem. The pump is very similar to the ones used on the Dodge Cummings. If it is the problem then they should be able to re-build it. When I had one re-built they were able to find all the specifications.
__________________
Land Rover 110
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old June 28th, 2011, 12:05 PM
exmod110's Avatar
exmod110
Status: Offline
Don Lang
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: manitoba canada
Posts: 105
Was the engine a runner when u purchased it?
Did you test run it before doing ANYTHING (timing belt, head gasket etc) to it to know it was a runner b4 you made any changes?
If it was I dont think throwing $$$ at an ip or injectors is going to fix it if it was.
If you think it is the ip take it to a pump shop and have it bench tested before condemning it.
Are you getting a full 12-14v at the fuel shut off solenoid all the time?
What color of smoke do u get now that u have played with that screw? white, black?
You have an electric pump installed, are you getting fuel to the pump inlet fitting? You should be able to get a good flow with it at the ip with the ignition on. Is the electric pump installed in the feed line?
I know it sounds like I am asking some very basic questions but it does happen..
__________________
85 exmod 110 rhd 300tdi
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old June 28th, 2011, 05:25 PM
dogbite's Avatar
dogbite
Status: Offline
Paul D
95 D90 ST & SW
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Boulder CO
Posts: 336
Registry
See awnsers in RED below

Quote:
Originally Posted by exmod110 View Post
Was the engine a runner when u purchased it? I was told is was..
Did you test run it before doing ANYTHING (timing belt, head gasket etc) to it to know it was a runner b4 you made any changes? no test run ws tried...
If it was I dont think throwing $$$ at an ip or injectors is going to fix it if it was.
If you think it is the ip take it to a pump shop and have it bench tested before condemning it.
Are you getting a full 12-14v at the fuel shut off solenoid all the time? yes
What color of smoke do u get now that u have played with that screw? white, black? white/gray
You have an electric pump installed, are you getting fuel to the pump inlet fitting? yes. You should be able to get a good flow with it at the ip with the ignition on. Is the electric pump installed in the feed line? yes
I know it sounds like I am asking some very basic questions but it does happen..
I dont mind the questions... i figure sonner or later someone will ask a question that will solve the problem... thinking about taking the IP in to get looked at...don't know what else to do
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old June 28th, 2011, 07:59 PM
junkyddog11's Avatar
junkyddog11
Status: Offline
oil soaked filter
95 RRC 300tdi
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: No. Berwick, Maine
Posts: 1,253
fuel lines on the lift pump or filter get switched?
__________________
Matt Browne


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
new expansion complete. Not only are we the only Rover shop in Eliot Maine...now we're also the biggest.

"Dedicated to the resurrection of junk through engineering?"
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old June 28th, 2011, 10:48 PM
TDI Guy's Avatar
TDI Guy
Status: Offline
Randy
2015 LR4
D-90 Source Vendor
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: NJ
Posts: 4,573
Registry
I had the problem with the switched fuel lines on the filter.. And they were misinstalled right from the factory.. Thanks to Matt, I fixed it.
__________________
Legend in My Own Mind.
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old June 30th, 2011, 10:39 AM
dogbite's Avatar
dogbite
Status: Offline
Paul D
95 D90 ST & SW
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Boulder CO
Posts: 336
Registry
so I switched the fuel line just to make sure and thats not it....switched back...

I think I might have a new IP in my future....
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old July 1st, 2011, 06:11 AM
junkyddog11's Avatar
junkyddog11
Status: Offline
oil soaked filter
95 RRC 300tdi
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: No. Berwick, Maine
Posts: 1,253
Have it rebuilt. Not really worth buying new unless it is totally fawked.
__________________
Matt Browne


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
new expansion complete. Not only are we the only Rover shop in Eliot Maine...now we're also the biggest.

"Dedicated to the resurrection of junk through engineering?"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Lower Navigation
Go Back   Defender Source > Defender & Series Technical Discussions > Defender Technical Discussions

Tags
300 tdi, start, tdi

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
300 tdi slow to start discotdi Defender Technical Discussions 22 October 27th, 2009 08:54 PM
1993 Defender 110 300 tdi $23,500 captainz For Sale - Vehicles 5 February 22nd, 2006 01:58 AM
1995 SW 300 Tdi neo812 For Sale - Vehicles 6 July 31st, 2005 04:55 PM
1995 Land Rover NAS Defender 90 ST (300 Tdi) MDS For Sale - Vehicles 7 March 4th, 2005 08:55 PM
MTL prices in Mass, 300 Tdi oil artm Defender Technical Discussions 4 September 10th, 2004 11:45 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:59 PM.


Copyright