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200Tdi Swap Cowl Ideas

I completed a lions share of the swap today with the help of two friends. I need some ideas how you reused the 2.5NA engine fan cowl or what you did to fab something up to replace it. Pictures are always helpful.
I DON'T want to go the electric fan route.
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Is the 200 the Disco or Defender version?
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Old December 6th, 2013, 12:02 AM
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Old December 6th, 2013, 09:40 AM
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Why not use a Defender 200tdi fan shroud?
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Old December 6th, 2013, 09:43 AM
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Why not use a Defender 200tdi fan shroud?
Do you happen to have one?
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Old December 6th, 2013, 09:57 AM
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Disco with a Defender front end installed
that's a seldom seen swap. did you make those changes or did it come that way ?
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Old December 6th, 2013, 10:39 AM
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I completed a lions share of the swap today with the help of two friends. I need some ideas how you reused the 2.5NA engine fan cowl or what you did to fab something up to replace it. Pictures are always helpful.
I DON'T want to go the electric fan route.
Thanks,
Dave
You said yourself that pictures are always helpful, yet you don't post any.

Lets see what you have. I have seen a few things that worked but I need pics of your stuff in order to know where to start.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 10:42 AM
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Which radiator/intercooler and frame are you using? If all stock Defender, then obviously a Defender cowl is what you want. I threw mine in the garbage, but there must be some used ones out there. It is a bit of a crappy design though.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 10:58 AM
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I have a set of discovery 200tdi blue silicone hoses if you still need to sort that part out.

Part number DA3175B
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Do you happen to have one?
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I threw mine in the garbage, but there must be some used ones out there. It is a bit of a crappy design though.
Wow. Chucking parts that someone else might need, that are fairly large and expensive to ship from the UK, is bad Rover karma.
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Which radiator/intercooler and frame are you using? If all stock Defender, then obviously a Defender cowl is what you want. I threw mine in the garbage, but there must be some used ones out there. It is a bit of a crappy design though.
I have the radiator cowl for what I believe is a Discovery that comes back about 5" I have the entire 2.5NA cowl from my truck. I need to somehow attach the fan cowl that I have to the new engine and use the flexible ducting, find a factory cowl or come up with an entirely different setup.
I can post pix of what I have in a bit.
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Old December 6th, 2013, 11:29 AM
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Okay. You need to describe a lot more details of your install....

- 200TDI with Defender timing cover.
- Long or short bellhousing gearbox?
- Defender or Discovery radiator/intercooler frame?
- Radiator from what?
- Intercooler from what?

If it does not match any stock configuration, YOU will have to make something custom to fit.... This is why an electric fan is much easier.....and provide many other benefits.
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Okay. You need to describe a lot more details of your install....

- 200TDI with Defender timing cover.
- Long or short bellhousing gearbox?
- Defender or Discovery radiator/intercooler frame?
- Radiator from what?
- Intercooler from what?

If it does not match any stock configuration, YOU will have to make something custom to fit.... This is why an electric fan is much easier.....and provide many other benefits.


We provided the motor....

started as a 200 disco

became a 200 defender

not sure on bell housing

Def and disco rad frames are 90% interchangeable. I "think" it is defender but might be disco

New def rad and def intercooler

We almost always go ele fan. We have the part number form summit for the shroud and the fan for the ele swap.

The 200 tdi fan shroud is almost impossible to ship without breaking into a million pieces; too big and fragile. New waaaay too much money new.

We have also used the basic 2.5na set up with a custom cut out and extension to cover the intercooler.
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This thread is still a mystery without pictures.
Thanks Urban Dave, now we can sort of visualize Dave Smith's setup, but Dave do you want a sort of visual solution?
Why do you immediately rule out an electric fan... they are both reliable and efficient? If they weren't, most modern vehicles wouldn't have them.

You post here for opinions and expertise, so why not follow electric fan advice?
You can hook up a 3 way if you off road:
1.) triggered by the thermo switch
2.) ON regardless of the thermo switch
3.) Off regardless of the thermo switch

The off position is useful if you do a lot of off roading and encounter water high enough to obliterate a spinning electric fan.
You can also eliminate number 2 if you don't need it.
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The Taurus fan fits the frame with 30 minutes of modification perfectly and the fans are very reliable...more so than the viscous units, IME. It then makes future working on the engine many times easier.
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Go with a electric fan set-up…either a Kenlow, Summit or stuff off a Taurus. We put a set of summit 420's with thier temp control on a v8 110 down here. Simple, very clean install and keeps the engine cool even in 110+ temps. If your ever stuck in traffic up in PHX, the viscous will not keep up, even on the TDI...
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Sorry guys, spent the day chasing parts and wrenching. I'll get a few pix tomorrow. After reading these posts I might go with an electric fan after all.
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OK simple fix... thremo switch in center of water outlet and electric fan mounted in the current schrod. Loose the mechanical fan.
Then you're done.

I have some thermo switches that I think mount in the bungs on your water outlet housing.
Just need to drill to make a hole and tap the inside walls of the existing bung in the casting.
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OK simple fix... thremo switch in center of water outlet and electric fan mounted in the current schrod. Loose the mechanical fan.
Then you're done.

I have some thermo switches that I think mount in the bungs on your water outlet housing.
Just need to drill to make a hole and tap the inside walls of the existing bung in the casting.
Then it shall be! Thanks all!
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