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Old June 19th, 2013, 10:20 PM
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200tdi price?

What's a fair price to pay for a compete, full working order 200tdi?
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Old June 19th, 2013, 10:38 PM
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As much as someone is willing to pay.... Depends on whether is is Disco or Defender, whether is has all the ancillaries, age, rebuilt or used, history....
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As much as someone is willing to pay.... Depends on whether is is Disco or Defender, whether is has all the ancillaries, age, rebuilt or used, history....
Defender, with 100k miles on the clock. It's out of an 89 110 and is original and very well maintained. Trying to figure out of this is a $500 dollar venture or more like $5,000.
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In the US, probably between the two.
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Newman?

Rick Newman needs a new engine and for the love of God, give up on that underpowered 2.5 N/A for a change in performance...and

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Old June 19th, 2013, 11:23 PM
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Rick Newman needs a new engine and for the love of God, give up on that underpowered 2.5 N/A for a change in performance...and

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Tough thing is I don't really gain much going to the 200 eh? 15hp??
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You go from 67hp to 110hp or so from 2.5na to 200tdi.


Basically from painfully slow to tolerable having driven both 2.5na and 300tdi (same hp as 200tdi)
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You go from 67hp to 110hp or so from 2.5na to 200tdi.

Basically from painfully slow to tolerable having driven both 2.5na and 300tdi (same hp as 200tdi)
That's helpful, thx. And I'm reading also the 200 is being called more reliable as well over the 300.
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You can also tune up the tdi to a lot more power. The NA will do no more power.

If it is just the engine maybe two grand. Having all the rest of the bits including the proper gearbox adds a lot of value. Some of the bits can be hard to find so it is best to have everything.
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Defender, with 100k miles on the clock. It's out of an 89 110 and is original and very well maintained. Trying to figure out of this is a $500 dollar venture or more like $5,000.
These engines did not go into 110s until 1990 so something is strange. You sure it is a tdi?
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These engines did not go into 110s until 1990 so something is strange. You sure it is a tdi?


^^^ Just what I was going to add. although it could have been a retrofit kit... LR sold these through the dealers, a complete engine and everything to convert it over. I've got a copy of the installation manual here if anyone wants one emailing over.


But going from the 2.5NA to the Tdi is a hug leap. the 2.5 is non-direct injection, the Tdi is direct injection, so no swirl chambers and 30 seconds on preheat, the Tdi will start pretty much everytime with next to no preheat, and they rev so much easier than an indirect injection (try starting some old tractor and see what it's like, compared to a modern diesel)
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Tough thing is I don't really gain much going to the 200 eh? 15hp??
It's not so much HP... Americas love to focus only on HP and ignore torque.
If you look up HP, it is generally based on torque and RPM.
The 200TDI has more torque, which makes our Land Rovers much more drivable, having the pull power to scoot faster down the road and pull over the trails.
The 200TDI (with turbo) is a huge improvement.

I can't for the life of me understand WHY people install a 200TDI and leave off the turbo.
They end up with a lethargic power plant under the hood.
Bad idea! Anyone ever drive a TDI powered 110 and have a bad intercooler leak and experience driving a TDI without boost? It's slower than slow. Then fix the problem and drive more than twice as fast?
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Over here (UK) people fit Tdi's into series rovers, and quite often leave the turbo off for a couple of reasons...

they're still running drum brakes, which aren't the best, and they don't want to overstress the drivetrain, although plenty of series rovers can handle a V8 in them.

But on a 90 or 110, no, i'd want that blower in place!
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Over here (UK) people fit Tdi's into series rovers, and quite often leave the turbo off for a couple of reasons...
That's like taking the most attractive girl in the school to the dance, but never dancing with her...
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That's like taking the most attractive girl in the school to the dance, but never dancing with her...
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I'd agree. Also depends on what comes with it. For instance I have a defender 200tdi with radiator intercooler, airfilter, and all associated piping that I offered to a board member/friend for $4500 with the lt77s that its bolted to. Engine is a "good one" that was maintained and tuned by Gwyn Lewis in Wales. Just the exhaust manifold and turbo for a defender version bring upwards of $600 or more.

I think the Defender 200 tdi setup is more valuable than a 300tdi @ this point. Given the vast numbers of 300 lumps on ebay uk. and the total paucity of the Defender 200 setup.
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These engines did not go into 110s until 1990 so something is strange. You sure it is a tdi?
This was not the original engine to the vehicle it's in now so that's why the dates don't match. I think it was a mid 90s conversion from a NA.
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That's like taking the most attractive girl in the school to the dance, but never dancing with her...


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Anyone ever drive a TDI powered 110 and have a bad intercooler leak and experience driving a TDI without boost? It's slower than slow. Then fix the problem and drive more than twice as fast?
Yes! I used one of the hoses from my 2.5TD to connect the intercooler to the intake on my 200tdi and it would periodically pop off under full boost as I was acelerating on to the highway... NOT COOL! It's a total dog without the turbo!

As far as price, I paid $3500 for my Disco 200 several years ago, but that was before they were more domestic sources for TDIs (mine came from Cananda).
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Having a turbo with a boost leak and removing it completely are not the same things...
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