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Old February 15th, 2016, 09:31 AM
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200tdi LT77 Clutch MC and Slave?

Hello,

I have a new puddle of fluid under the truck. Looks like the MC gave up the ghost. Shifting action had been less than optimal lately but I figured it was because of the freezing cold temps lately.

My truck is a Bitsa truck with a 200TDI and a 93 body with an LT77.

Are all the clutch MCs compatible? are there any options or combos of clutch MC, clutch line and slave cylinder that are recommended over just getting parts for a LHD 200TDI (like is the 300TDI line compatible and less prone to failure or an aftermarket kit)?

My intent is to get a new MC, clutch line and slave. I leaning towards new versus rebuild kits.

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Old February 15th, 2016, 09:45 AM
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If a master leaks, it will run inside the truck in the footwell. AFAIK, all clutch masters are the same. All slaves are the same for an LT77 diesels. Make sure you can OEM for both.

Be careful when removing the slave not to pull the pushrod off of the fork.

An option for a different master is here: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...tml#post704404
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Old February 15th, 2016, 10:04 AM
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Old February 15th, 2016, 10:18 AM
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If a master leaks, it will run inside the truck in the footwell. AFAIK, all clutch masters are the same. All slaves are the same for an LT77 diesels. Make sure you can OEM for both.

Be careful when removing the slave not to pull the pushrod off of the fork.

An option for a different master is here: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...tml#post704404
John, It is leaking down the driver side radius arm forward to the axle and dripping there. I also have a drip at the flywheel housing. I'll take a better look after I change into some warm coveralls or something.

Wow Robert, that is significantly less than what I budgeted for.
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Old February 15th, 2016, 10:33 AM
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I would not buy the aftermarket ones mentioned above, You want OEM. They should be in branded boxes.

The radius arm leak sounds like a brake leak unless it is a fitting. If the master leaks at its seal, it must run into the truck cab. Have a look at where the line connects to the master. Maybe it is just loose.
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Oscar I have a quality OEM MC available. New Never Used/Installed. Delphi. $75
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Slight hijack, but what is oem these days? LR repack of (I think) TRW, TRW or Delphi? All seem to be of comparable quality and better than the no name, white box stuff.
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Slight hijack, but what is oem these days? LR repack of (I think) TRW, TRW or Delphi? All seem to be of comparable quality and better than the no name, white box stuff.
I'm not sure exactly. I was told when ordering not to go cheap on the MC's as they tend to consistently fail. Delphi provides a quality MC I understand.
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When I was last in England was told by a reliable source that Bearmach used re-boxed TRW/ZF parts.
This was good enough for me.
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An option for a different master is here: http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...tml#post704404
Any questions on the conversion that John posted above let me know.

For what it's worth on my NAS 90 I replaced my Clutch Master / Clutch Slave @ 90,900 miles (TRW if I recall). Later, the CS went out at 106K miles and I replaced just that...likely this was due to the deterioration of the CM aluminum particles flowing downstream to the CS.

At 109.5K miles the CS gave up the ghost again and upon inspection realized it was due to the CM failure causing the issue (when I say "failure" I mean the internals of the CM wearing and causing fluid contamination). Previously any "flushes" of fresh fluid would turn gray relatively quickly (instead of the nice golden DOT color it should be).

Went with the cast-iron Dorman conversion over 3K miles ago and the fluid still looks brand new in the reservoir, and have had zero issues every since.

Not long ago (last month or so) the CM on the 130 started leaking, so immediately did the Dorman conversion on that as well...haven't really driven it much since it's been off the road for winter but I don't expect any issues for many thousands of miles at this point .
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I did see your link Nathan and the very very very nice part of the setup was the flex line coming from the master allowing the removal of the whole petal assembly without bending or kinking a metal line.
Do you offer the line and fittings separately?
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Be sure to read the free play adjustment procedure on the manual.

-Jeff
Ok everything is in and I need to adjust the freeplay (there isn't any right now). I'm having trouble finding the specs. The inter webs says it should be 5.5 inches of pedal height and 6mm of free play, is that correct? do I just go at the two 12 (13) mm nuts on the plunger shaft until I get the 6mm?

John looks like this guy was guilty of the puddle under the radius arm (replaced this too):



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