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Old April 6th, 2016, 08:34 PM
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I'm told it is a 12j that has an added turbo unit. True or False?
As we said. There is no way to tell by looking at it. The blocks are the same. The changes are to the internals. You would not want a 12J with a turbo added. That is a really bad idea.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 09:05 PM
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Thanks so much Dave. I had read these things a number of times but was simply unclear exactly what externally visible characteristics differentiate the 2. I'll work to identify the oil draining and turbo characteristics visually through a lot of searching as this seems to be what will get me to where I need to be.

The vehicle I'm hoping to purchase has one of these 'painfully slow, underpowered engines', I just need it to be the stock engine so I can import it, before swapping it for a refurb 300tdi.

I realize you guys must handle hordes of noobs asking ridiculous questions all the time and appreciate your patience.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 09:51 PM
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No need to sweat which one. You will dump it in favor of a 200tdi
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Post the full VIN and a few pictures including the motor. After that most anybody here will be able to tell you if it will make it past CBP or not.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 10:09 PM
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Thanks Dave. Appreciate the offer.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/bpnoonan/23049N

https://www.flickr.com/gp/bpnoonan/77L6Er

https://www.flickr.com/gp/bpnoonan/LcQ13N

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Sorry, when I post photos, whether from drive or flickr they come up as broken links, hence the links.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 10:14 PM
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OK, you have a 19J motor (or a 12J with a turbo added) in a truck that should have a 12J. It might be an issue. Here is how it decodes:

SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
LD Model: Defender (for early models: Ninety, or One Ten)
V Wheel base: 92.9 inch, but designated 90
A Body type: 2-door: Pickup, hood cab, truck cab, or soft/hard top
C Engine type: 2.5 litre diesel (model 12J)
7 Steering and transmission: Right-hand drive (RHD), 5-speed manual (LT85, LT77, LT77S, R380 or other)
E Model year: 1988
A Assembly location: Solihull, UK
350742 Serial number

You could always remove the turbo and put a 12J manifold back on to import it.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 10:16 PM
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It should have a 12J on it. To get through customs, the turbo should be removed and a normal intake and exhaust installed. Make sure engine serial number says 12J on it and it look untampered....
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Old April 6th, 2016, 10:18 PM
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Someone else can comment if that chassis stamp looks original.
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Thanks Dave,

Yup, I had decoded that but cant tell how that is a 19J and not a 12J.
The only difference is the turbo? The owner is a mechanic and told me it was a 12j but someone had added a turbo to it. Is this plausible?
I ask because it may be reasonable to have him remove the turbo for exportation if it really is a 12j, but if it is a 19j I may have to give up on this one.

Thoughts?

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Note the registration says it is a 12j
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Ask for a photo of the engine data plate. If it's a 12J have him correct the manifolds and call it good. If not, move on and find a truck that won't be an issue.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 10:23 PM
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Yes, a turbo can be added. They use the same block and head. The turbo needs to be removed and the correct manifolds added. The engine serial number must look untampered and say 12J. Customs will look at these things.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 10:27 PM
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Thanks so much guys. I really appreciate it!

I'll offer to pay to remove turbo/replace manifold. Not sure how much time effort this takes. Hope it is easy (not worried about cost, more worried about seller getting fed up with demanding buyer)
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Old April 6th, 2016, 10:28 PM
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Fixed it for you Dave.
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OK, you have a SHITTY motor (or a 12J with a turbo added) in a truck that should have a 200/300Tdi in it. It might be an issue, but it's not because you need to pull that lump of SHIT out anyways. Here is how it decodes:

SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
LD Model: Defender (for early models: Ninety, or One Ten)
V Wheel base: 92.9 inch, but designated 90
A Body type: 2-door: Pickup, hood cab, truck cab, or soft/hard top
C Engine type: 2.5 litres of pure under powered SHIT! (model 12J)
7 Steering and transmission: Right-hand drive (RHD), 5-speed manual (LT85, LT77, LT77S, R380 or other)
E Model year: 1988
A Assembly location: Solihull, UK
350742 Serial number

You could always remove the turbo and put a 12J manifold back on to import it then put a decent motor in.
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Old April 6th, 2016, 10:38 PM
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I sort of made a pic of what seems to need to go in order to make everything hunky dory.
This helps a great deal guys.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_...Eg2djBDSmtQbm8
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Old April 6th, 2016, 10:51 PM
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I sort of made a pic of what seems to need to go in order to make everything hunky dory.
This helps a great deal guys.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_...Eg2djBDSmtQbm8
Your picture on the left is actually a 200TDI.
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Brice, you even have the serial # off the registration, well that's if it hasn't been swapped that is.

12J40501C ... ask the seller to take a picture of it
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Someone else can comment if that chassis stamp looks original.
Forget the engine, that looks like a red flag to me..
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