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Old June 27th, 2013, 06:02 PM
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110 Suspension Question

We have an NAS 110 and regularly get a pop in the rear suspension, when in a tight slow turn, (as the weight shifts)...During this, the front suspension feels well planted, but the rear seems to roll a bit too much and has a vague feel...any ideas on this?

The truck has OME shocks and 114k miles, but I'm not too sure how many are on the shocks - we've put 7k on it during the last year of ownership.

Also, when you load up the rear, with a few hundered pounds, the rear does sag a bit more than I would think it should...

Also, If you jump up/down on the rear hitch, the shocks seem to stabilize quickly...

Just trying to give as much info as possible...I've considered another set of rear HD springs, or the addition of the rear internal springs, but I don't want to just start thowing stuff at it, if someone has had a similar issue with their 110 or has some good input...Thanks for any help
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Old June 27th, 2013, 06:39 PM
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Rear a frame ball joint is probably bad.
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Old June 27th, 2013, 08:24 PM
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114K on springs and shock is a lot.
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Old June 27th, 2013, 11:08 PM
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The ball joint sounds like a good start for the popping...

I think the shocks are newer and they feel decent, but I'm not sure about the age of the springs, so I think I'll put a new set on it...Especially since it does easily sag...
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Old June 27th, 2013, 11:25 PM
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Springs won't make any noise. Springs should never need replacing.
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Springs won't make any noise. Springs should never need replacing.
Yup.

After ball joint I would go with the BOGE self leveling unit.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 12:23 AM
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Yup.

After ball joint I would go with the BOGE self leveling unit.
I was wondering about the leveling unit...How tough are they to replace? We have an Autohome tent we put on top during the summer for camping...when we're running it on top and other gear in the back, the rear will sag about 2" or so...
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Old June 28th, 2013, 12:27 AM
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They are not hard to replace but replacements do not exist.
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They are not hard to replace but replacements do not exist.
I just read something to that effect too...There was something mentioned about rebuilding them...Do you know if that's possible or who does it? Thanks for all the info!
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Old June 28th, 2013, 09:07 AM
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It is possible, but I don't know of anyone that does it anymore.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 01:59 PM
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I saw where some of the guys who were having trouble with the leveler, were putting heavier springs on their truck, a progressive spring, or the smaller inner helper spring...Any opinions on this as a fix, if a repair to the leveler isn't an option?
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Old June 28th, 2013, 02:14 PM
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That is what you need to do, but it make for a stiff ride. A reasonable solution is air bags inside the coils as you can adjust the pressure with load.

I keep planning to look into designing an air spring replacement for the leveler. I think it is possible and would not be expensive.
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I have just gone through the whole ordeal of rear spring debacle.. There is about 3 different levels of springs, my camel trophy defender 110 doesn't have the load leveler on it and it seems to do just fine.. I am about to install the expedition 20mm rear springs but that may be too heavy a spring for yours (rated for 500 kilo continuous load)... I think it's all in my camel trophy defender 110 build thread... 32 pages or so... http://www.expeditionportal.com/foru...ad.php?t=70583

------ Follow up post added June 28th, 2013 02:22 PM ------

The air spring upper isolator mounts don't hold up to too much load... The retaining lip is too small.. Been through 2 sets now..
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They were on non EAS RRCs so maybe that is a source of a used one.
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The airbags sound like a pretty good idea, since the extra weight of the tent is seasonal, and we don't usually run it very heavy (usually just the 2 of us, the dog, and a few odds and ends). What type/brand works well with the Rovers?

I've looked at some for my full size Bronco, since it squats too with a load, but I've never purchased any for it either.

Your Build thread looks like a lot of great info and I'll definitely spend some time and read through it... When you were running the airbags, do you think they were failing since Since the load was too much for them? Maybe our lighter loads would work ok?

Thanks again for the good info.

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They were on non EAS RRCs so maybe that is a source of a used one.
I did a Yahoo search to read up on them some, and it seems like quite a few people are having similar issues and searching for them, and not a lot are out there for sale...

I'd like to keep it as close to stock as possible, but the heavier springs or airbags might be the initial fix, and then maybe track down a replacement unit at some point in the future...
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Think the 130 had inner helper springs.
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Think the 130 had inner helper springs.
Those sound like they'd be a good fix, but for some reason they're almost 2x the money of just replacing the main spring - I wonder why that is??

Is there a bit of travel in the primary outer spring before the inner one engages?? Is that how it keeps a decent ride, before piling on a heavier load?
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Yes.. The inner spring assists as the outer one gets compressed.. The air spring setup is called air lift from memory.. They an be found on eBay.. 110 are different from 90 and they usually have to be ordered.. Do a search on eBay with... Rover defender air spring...
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Old June 28th, 2013, 10:11 PM
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I might try the air spring first...from reading it looks like the 90 has a 6" inner diameter and rhe 110 has a 7" inner diameter...does that sound right? The only one I have run across so far that mention the 110 specifically is out of Australia, and is 2-3x more than the local ones...

I'll search ebay and see what pops up there...
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Before you go all crazy, go with simple.

If BOGE is bad, replace. If ball joint is bad replace. If BOGE is bad and you don't want to deal with it, fit normal non-BOGE 110 springs. No need to fit fancy stuff unless you are carrying a ton of weight.
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