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Old September 15th, 2015, 11:49 AM
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Kind of makes online forums pointless then, doesn't it.

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My point is this "level" of question is much too broad for an internet answer. It involved a lot of custom work and you need a level of fabrication desire and capability. You can't be running off to the internet to solve every little problem.

It also pisses me off when people ask first, before even attempting to research the subject on their own....
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Old September 15th, 2015, 11:51 AM
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I had a 3.9 and an LT95 in my Series 1 88" truck and it was a freaking blast. No drivability issues, no overheating, no nothing........fantastic running truck once I sorted a few small electrical gremlins.


It was not a conversion I did myself, I bought the truck already done but someone put some thought into it and did a nice job.


My Series 1 was an absolute beast and is one of the few trucks I actually regret selling. That V8 turned it into a muscle Rover and every time I got out of it I had a huge grin on my face.
Was this series out of Oregon? With, if I recall correctly, a bulldog ornament? If so I drove this truck. It was an absolute blast to drive. He happen to be going through Utah and stopped at a local shop when I was there. Gave him a hand with some stuff and when he was done we went for a drive. However I am in the no V-8 camp. I've seen a few, it seems they are hard to do right. the one I drove was well done, but he had a lot of time and effort into it.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 01:18 PM
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Was this series out of Oregon? With, if I recall correctly, a bulldog ornament? If so I drove this truck. It was an absolute blast to drive. He happen to be going through Utah and stopped at a local shop when I was there. Gave him a hand with some stuff and when he was done we went for a drive. However I am in the no V-8 camp. I've seen a few, it seems they are hard to do right. the one I drove was well done, but he had a lot of time and effort into it.

Yes, that's the truck.........I bought it from Ike who traded a guy a 90 for it......several West coast folks on here know the truck. It is now owned by a forum member here, but I believe both he and the truck have moved out of the country and now reside way south.
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A land rover forward control 101 LT95 and a rover V8 is about all that will fit in an 88 without having a very short rear driveshaft or going to a defender style front end or retaining the series transmission. I always thought it would be a nice set up.

The other option is a rover v8 to Ashcroft V8 to four cylinder adaptor to a shorty R380 or LT77 to an adaptor to a series T-case. It ends up being longer than the stock set up, but with a six cylinder bulkhead it can work.

Rover V8 to series transmission I have seen but I am dubious about long term health of it. Maybe if you used a 3.5 out of a 90 or 110 that has only 110hp or so it would be ok.

I know diddly squat about non-rover options.
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I have thought long and hard about this myself. You can do it. You can make it work. You can use what ever parts you like, american or stock rover. But at the end of the day it's easier to start with a 90/110 as a base platform. You'll end up with better brakes (or ones that are easier and cheaper to upgrade), full time 4 wheel drive, stronger axles (or ones that are easier and cheaper to upgrade), more opportunities for suspension upgrades than you know what to do with, and more parts that are readily available. BUT you won't have to cool factor that comes with cruising around in a series.

My questions are:
What are you intentions for the vehicle? Primarily off road, on road, or both?

What kind of shape is the start vehicle in?

How comfortable are you fabricating?

To answer your original question about stuffing a V8 into a series, some common options are:
-Ford 302 to NP435, advance adapters to series transfer case
-Chevy 350 to NP435, advance adapters to series transfer case
-Any rover V8 to short bell housing Lt95, R380, Lt77, **but you'll have to convert to a different transfer case to match the transmission of your choice (LT95 will have its own, R380 and Lt77 can use LT230, ashcroft makes an adapter to mate the LT77 to a series box

Sure you could keep your stock transmission, sure you could keep your stock axles, but in order for this conversion to be the bullet proof actual upgrade it was intended to be, you'll need to upgrade everything else in the truck so much so that you'll only be left with a series body shell and frame.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 02:23 PM
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If you have about $30K to spend on the truck then go for it! I loved my fuel injected 350 powered 71 11A ... briefly ! I mated it to a LT 95 it could tolerate the 330hp with no problem however the brakes could not! so budget a full disc conversion and possibly convert it to coils like I did! I fortunately had Mathew & Timm of BCB @ my disposal.

Sadly I sold the car 5 years ago due to the birth of my 1st child it has sat in a garage not being used since!

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Old September 15th, 2015, 02:28 PM
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I went for a ride with the owner of this truck several years ago when it was up for sale.
Ford 5 liter "GT-40" V-8, NV-4500 transmission.
Cochran 88 Project

It was a hoot.

I say go for it, it will put a smile on your face.


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Since I started this thread and in response to some of the questions, I have been researching engine swaps for 4 months and am at the end of that process. Before making the final decision I decided to look at V8's and have researched them as well including a number of restoration projects that can be found out there online.


My main goal was to get feedback on which v8's people have seen swapped in that were the easiest. I am not the one who will do it - I'm talking with a restoration shop who I trust but I am the one paying for it. I like data and then experienced opinions and I've got the data, just looking for the latter.


Full disclosure (because some of you get your feelings hurt if people don't tell you everything) I will still probably go with a 2.5 NA and a LT77, etc but before pulling the trigger I'm looking at everything as I'll own this thing forever.

------ Follow up post added September 15th, 2015 02:08 PM ------

And I should have said I do really appreciate this site and people's feedback. It has saved me a lot of problems.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 03:16 PM
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and here i thought you were just going to roll a grenade into the room and run away

good luck with the swap.. Ive also enjoyed my chevy straight 6 292 swap in a series.. Lot of power without some of the size and fitment issues of the v8.
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Old September 15th, 2015, 04:44 PM
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My first Land Rover was a 1961 88" Series 2 with a 260 Ford V-8 mated to a Jeep transmission under the hood and stock Rover axles. Highly entertaining but not real practical. A good friend of mine had a 65ish 109 SW with a Ford 289 V-8 mounted to Series transmission with a Scotty's adapter. Neither one of us suffered any driveline failures due to sheer luck and careful driving (most of the time).

I'm a proponent of keeping stock engines in Series trucks as well - they just seem happier and more enjoyable to drive, Careful balancing and tuning of a Series motor will smooth it up and squeeze a few more horsepower out of it but that's really all you need to do.



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Old September 16th, 2015, 08:11 AM
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So your 327 come 383 series 1 is a "no comment"?

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that truck and its capabilities speak for themselves...as you say no comment necessary.
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Old September 22nd, 2015, 11:17 AM
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Yes, that's the truck.........I bought it from Ike who traded a guy a 90 for it......several West coast folks on here know the truck. It is now owned by a forum member here, but I believe both he and the truck have moved out of the country and now reside way south.
Still travelling between FL and PR, but spending more time in PR to take care of my sick mother...

Yes, the S1 is here with me. As far as I know, the only one on the island with a V8. Will is not kidding. It is a blast to drive. It has a lot of power, a LOT. The engine used was a LR 3.9L that probably came from a Defender, Disco or RRC.

Evilfi is right. The 3.9 was mated to an LT95 tranny from a 101FC. My understanding is that the input shaft on the LT95 from a 101FC is shorter than the LT95 used on Range Rovers, Stage Ones, Nineties and One tens.

The conversion was, in my opinion, very well made. One of the best features of the job was the addition of PS that I believe came from a P38.

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Old September 22nd, 2015, 11:21 AM
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Since I started this thread and in response to some of the questions, I have been researching engine swaps for 4 months and am at the end of that process. Before making the final decision I decided to look at V8's and have researched them as well including a number of restoration projects that can be found out there online.


My main goal was to get feedback on which v8's people have seen swapped in that were the easiest. I am not the one who will do it - I'm talking with a restoration shop who I trust but I am the one paying for it. I like data and then experienced opinions and I've got the data, just looking for the latter.


Full disclosure (because some of you get your feelings hurt if people don't tell you everything) I will still probably go with a 2.5 NA and a LT77, etc but before pulling the trigger I'm looking at everything as I'll own this thing forever.

------ Follow up post added September 15th, 2015 02:08 PM ------

And I should have said I do really appreciate this site and people's feedback. It has saved me a lot of problems.
Paul - if you want any specific / detailed pics of the engine compartment, bulkhead, tranny, etc., PM me your e-mail address and I'll send them to you.
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love you're truck Tony....should of bought it from Ike when i had the chance!
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My understanding is that the input shaft on the LT95 from a 101FC is shorter than the LT95 used on Range Rovers, Stage Ones, Nineties and One tens.
Just remember, it's possible to shorten the longer input shafts to the 101-ish length...but ain't cheap.
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Old September 23rd, 2015, 07:52 AM
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Tony, truck looks fantastic.


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love you're truck Tony....should of bought it from Ike when i had the chance!
Thanks John! Too bad we didn't have a chance to get together before bringing the S1 down here. Looks like you are no longer in FL either. I really like yours and always wanted to take a closer look at it.

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Tony, truck looks fantastic. #kickingmyselfforgettingridofit
Thanks Will. Love the hashtag! I feel kind of the same way about the RRC...

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It does look great. I forwarded the pics on to Dennis (the guy that built it). -Jeff
Thanks Jeff. Do me a favor. PM me his contact info again. I lost all my contacts info after I dropped my phone in a lake while kayaking.
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I love that this went from a V8 initially right to a 2.5na after research lol.

V8's are a fine thing in an 88, if thats what you want. No reason to not do it other than time and money. You'll have a lot less than those guys who are out there driving something they didn't have to spend all the time and money on.
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Old October 22nd, 2015, 07:46 AM
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Full disclosure (because some of you get your feelings hurt if people don't tell you everything) I will still probably go with a 2.5 NA and a LT77, etc but before pulling the trigger I'm looking at everything as I'll own this thing forever.

------ Follow up post added September 15th, 2015 02:08 PM ------

And I should have said I do really appreciate this site and people's feedback. It has saved me a lot of problems.
I only went with the V8 in my truck cos I had one. But the best Defenders I have driven have been the 4 cylinder tdis. The best series, 4 cylinder gas with Lt77 or R380.

So I like your choice.
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