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Old March 8th, 2015, 02:49 PM
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using synthetic rope with a Superwinch X9 - heat

I have an X9 mounted on my RRC - with wire rope - and I bought synthetic rope from one of the site vendors before I read that X9s have a brake inside the drum which gets too hot for synthetics. So.....

Has anyone come up with some kind of shielding material to put around the drum to reduce the heat transmission enough to use synthetics?
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Old March 8th, 2015, 03:09 PM
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I wouldn't worry about it, it's unlikely that you'll max the winch load under the most challenging expeditions to heat it that much. I'd worry more about that rope holding water and rusting your drum over the years.

Worse case it melts the last wrap...most don't get that deep on a spool and it seems unlikely to happen at all. The safety up side using a synthetic out weigh any concern, IMO. Good Luck.
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^ what he said.

I'm running synthetic with a Warn 10K, same drum issue (I believe). I covered the first stretch of the line with the "chaffing" sleeve and wrapped that on the first spool or so...hasn't been an issue so far.
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^ what he said.

I'm running synthetic with a Warn 10K, same drum issue (I believe). I covered the first stretch of the line with the "chaffing" sleeve and wrapped that on the first spool or so...hasn't been an issue so far.
yes that reminds me I need a few of those sleeves...thanks!! lol...
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Chafe gear works good on the first layer , we use 3/4 or 1" on the 3/8 plasma line . You can get USA made chafe gear from Amazon for cheap . Brookstone if I recall .
If you want to know how warm your drum gets , simply remove your cable and run the winch for the manufactures listed line speed per minute .
So if you pull it in 100 ft timed one time you will probably be ok on temps , do that two to three times you might have a problem .

This only applies to winches that use the internal drum brake that you are over powering constantly always creating friction .

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I thought this was only an issue when spooling out under load. Unless I'm in a hurry, I always try to get enough line out to expose the last layer, for the most pulling power.
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You create a lot more heat spooling out but there is constant drag on the shoes in the drum creating heat buildup even while spooling in . Add mud rust to this and it's a bit more then on a new winch .
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One reason I asked was that I did melt the synthetic line on my Warn 9500. It got flat and melted looking but never broke.
I think the chafe sleeve is an excellent solution.

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One reason I asked was that I did melt the synthetic line on my Warn 9500. It got flat and melted looking but never broke.
I think the chafe sleeve is an excellent solution.

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It's been my experience that all traditional synthetic lines look like that after use, regardless of brake configuration. When you think about the stresses involved on the drum and line compressing on itself it's not hard to see why.
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If it's melted it won't massage back into flexible line . If it's compressed it will work back into shape with little effort .
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One reason I asked was that I did melt the synthetic line on my Warn 9500. It got flat and melted looking but never broke.
I think the chafe sleeve is an excellent solution.

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Can't go wrong with a couple of these 10' sections:
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Amazon has the same stuff for 12.95 and it's 30' that gives you enough to wrap lower drum and then a 20' piece for uv protection on the last wrap .
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Amazon has the same stuff for 12.95 and it's 30' that gives you enough to wrap lower drum and then a 20' piece for uv protection on the last wrap .
I was trying to find that...where'd you scare it up on Amazon? I was finding 10' for $30, but may be looking in the wrong spot. I could probably use some more!
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