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Old July 22nd, 2014, 04:11 PM
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Toyota axles under a 88" IIA

Just picked up a chassis that has Toyota axles under it. Not exactly sure but I think they may be from an FJ60? The front axle has discs and the rear is drum.

I have searched the forum but didn't have any luck finding any info. Has anyone here done this conversion? I would love to have some photos or detailed info on the conversion. I really need to get my head around the steering and the drive shafts.

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Old July 22nd, 2014, 05:11 PM
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I saw that rolling chassis on craigslist and was wondering about it.

Please post photos of how the spring mounts are welded to the axle. The quality of work done here will dictate where you need to start wrapping your head around it.

The FJ60 axles in general are good units - far stronger than anything Land Rover ever put in an 88". Sorting out the driveshafts and steering will be relatively straightforward.

(I did a Toyota axle conversion in a 1964 88" about ten years ago)
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Old July 25th, 2014, 01:43 PM
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Front axle

Here is a shot of the FJ62 axle under the front of the series chassis.....

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Old July 25th, 2014, 01:56 PM
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Rear axle shots

I spoke to original builder who put the axles under the chassis. He did the welding and it looks pretty good.


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Okay - you are starting from square 1.

Step 1, measure distance between the center of the spring perches on the axle, and between the center of the springs on the frame.

Step 2, remove old spring perches and weld on new ones at the appropriate width, pinion angle, and caster angle

Then you will at least have the axles mounted appropriately and could continue on with driveshafts, steering, and brake lines.

You may want to consider if this undertaking will be worthwhile to you - it all depends on your intended use of the truck and how you want it to look when it's done.
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My suggestion.... Go to AULRO forums.... There will be various threads on doing this and people who have done it first hand. This US centric site is not the best place.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 02:11 PM
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I really appreciate the comments. Still trying researching on what to do.....

Known Pros:
Disc brakes on the front.
Wider track width. (If it doesn't interfere with the original wheel well openings)
Fairly strong axles.
Cheaper lockers ie: Aussie.
Possible E-locker swap on the front.
4.11 gears would be a little better on the road...

Cons:
Semi-floating axles with c-clips.
Will need new wheels with proper offset.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 03:12 PM
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Having seen a 109 Salisbury rear axle on an 88 last weekend, that was one stout way forward. Especially with a locker!
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I really appreciate the comments. Still trying researching on what to do.....

Known Pros:
Disc brakes on the front.
Wider track width. (If it doesn't interfere with the original wheel well openings)
Fairly strong axles.
Cheaper lockers ie: Aussie.
Possible E-locker swap on the front.
4.11 gears would be a little better on the road...

Cons:
Semi-floating axles with c-clips.
Will need new wheels with proper offset.
They do not look to have a removable diff cover so they are 60 series, not 40 series. MUCH stronger than Series axles with a Dana 60 sized R&P. You can swap the elocker of a rear 80 into the front but cannot in the rear.

Semi floating rear as a con is overrated. The shafts are 1.31" in diameter with Series shafts a little over an inch. If you break a rear under LR power, you will be doing something that LC owners with SBC, 4BT, and 4BD1T power have not done.

You got a good set up with those axles already being there. You can get spring pads/ mounts from RuffStuff very easily.
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Old July 25th, 2014, 04:47 PM
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Take this FWIW. My buddy in Wisconsin was a Toyota guy. Got tired of the bodies rusting out so he picked up a Series body and slapped it on his Toy frame and axles. It has a Chevy engine but that's not the point.
My point is his build is extremely clean and crawls like crazy.
Depending how much frame you have to work with and it's condition you may want to consider something similar.

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Those are stock 60 wheels as well.
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Cool looking truck. I have a galvanized chassis sitting here so rust isn't issue anymore.
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You could track down info on those axles on IH8MUD. It's a great Toyota forum. The FJ40 axles also had a third member with a welded on diff cover. So, I'm not sure what you have. Great find on the chassis and axles.
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You could track down info on those axles on IH8MUD. It's a great Toyota forum. The FJ40 axles also had a third member with a welded on diff cover. So, I'm not sure what you have. Great find on the chassis and axles.
Only on the front. The rears have removable covers. Do you have any better pictures of the front axle? What is the WMS to WMS width? 58.5" and it is a 60. Anything less (~55"), and it is the 40.
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Here is the front....

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Here is the rear. I checked the width and the axles are FJ62 with 4.11 gears.

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What do you guys think about running these longer shackles?

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Ok, I have been lurking here watching this so let me clarify for those concerned on what you have for axles. I am the original owner/builder of this setup. Those are Toyota Landcruiser axles (as you already know). Specifically, these are FJ62 axles removed from a 1989 Toyota FJ62. They have 4.11 gears. The wheels on the axles are also stock toyota FJ62 wheels. The 4.11s will be a good setup for any engine generating more torque than the 2.25. They will still work with the 2.25, its just they are a little taller obviously than the stock rover series 4.88 gears.
Those axles will be a sound setup for just about anything you can fit in a series 88" chassis.
Hope that helps.
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Forgot to mention, the shackles are the longer series rover military style shackles. Bought new at same time as springs.
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Old July 27th, 2014, 10:02 AM
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Coiler,
Again, I appreciate the input!
I have been looking into wheels and found a smooth steel wheel at Summit that should give the stockish look that I want. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wv...0604/overview/

Now to sell my 1964 Mercury Marauder so that I can get started on it!!
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