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Old October 8th, 2007, 11:17 AM
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Hi Rob,
Yes it only locks up when one of the drums is off. Now that both are off it is not locking up.

Thanks everyone for the help.

Will drain the diff tomorrow evening and let you know what I find.
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So I drained the rear diff and only a few very small granules of metal and and sand particles came out. I also reached into the hole to feel for any larger chunks of metal and there was nothing.
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When you turn the half shafts with no drums on, does the driveshaft turn at all? If the driveshaft isn't turning and it isn't locking up, I still think the issue is in your diff.
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No the driveshaft doesn't turn.
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Old August 9th, 2016, 05:57 PM
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When you turn the half shafts with no drums on, does the driveshaft turn at all? If the driveshaft isn't turning and it isn't locking up, I still think the issue is in your diff.
Can't recall seeing metal bits out of a healthy diff. Time to pull the driveshafts and take the diff out.
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No the driveshaft doesn't turn.
With both brake drums off it will just back spin the other side. You need to turn the drive shaft enough to see the ring gear is free for a full turn.
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Can't recall seeing metal bits out of a healthy diff. Time to pull the driveshafts and take the diff out.
I agree. If the driveshaft isn't turning, and you don't see the locking up. It is time to pull the diff.
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Pic of granules in diff oil

Doesn't look to concerning to me.

------ Follow up post added August 9th, 2016 06:24 PM ------

Put a bar against other wheels lug nuts and then turned the other rear wheel and the prop turned fin in reverse. No locking up. Leaning towards trailing shoe as issue
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Pic of drained diff oil

Oil with very small shavings metal and soil
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So, where are you with this project? Did you figure out the problem?
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Hi John,
Thanks for the followup interest. No, I am still troubleshooting.

My rear brake shoes and drums were oil soaked and very worn, so I replaced the drums, shoes, two springs and the wheel cylinder on each of the rear wheels. Didn't fix the problem, but feel good that the vehicle now has new rear brakes.

I think my next step will be to pull the rear axles to see how they look. Any other recommendations?
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Its easy to get distracted isn't it. Classic fix one problem, and three others while I'm at it...

Lets see the driveshafts.
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Things that go clunk ...

There are a few other things to check that we have not noted here. Your driveshaft u-joints and/or yoke might be badly worn and may be binding. Pull the driveshaft and take a look since you are going to need to remove it when you pull the diff anyway. When you pull the diff take a good look at the differential gears (some call them the spider gears) as well as the ring and pinion. When you pull the axle shafts (which you will need to also do in order to pull the differential), inspect the wheel bearings. The sort of rotational clunk you are experiencing can be caused by a number of things. I suspect that your ring and pinion set may be damaged or your spider gears. Both of these are classic causes of rotational clunking. Since you have eliminated the rear and parking brakes as the cause, this will be your next likely point of inspection. Good luck and keep us posted!
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Take the rear Prop shaft off or at least undo the 4 nuts on the gearbox end and let the prop hang down.
Now start engine and in 2WD (red knob fwd) engage first gear and let clutch out. If first works OK try 234 and reverse. Easiest way to isolate the problem btw gearbox and back axle. Sounds more like gearbox to me but if that test works OK you can go back to axle. If a rear axle shaft is broken it is highly unlikely the truck will drive forwards or backwards any distance in 2WD.
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Thanks Nick,
I followed your instructions and the vehicle successfully shifted through all the gears (R-1-2-3-4). I ran through all the gears 3 times to be sure.

Looks like it is not the gearbox.
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Pull the halfshafts and diff. It is an hour job.
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Good Job! Like I said earlier, I suspect that your ring and pinion set may be chewed up or your spider gears are badly worn. Both of these are classic causes of rotational clunking and/or binding. The other clue was all the junk in your oil. Teeth may be missing or broken on the ring or pinion. Spider gears can also wear and go wonky, but are typically more noticeable on turns. They can still make clunking when going strait ahead, however. With all of that debris in the oil, something is going on inside! Broken bits may also get lodged in the carrier bearings and cause this binding problem. I'm ASE certified and a former Land Rover mechanic, and I must say that our members have actually given some very good troubleshooting advice! Keep at it, you're almost there! Thanks for keeping us posted.
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Thanks Nick,
I followed your instructions and the vehicle successfully shifted through all the gears (R-1-2-3-4). I ran through all the gears 3 times to be sure.

Looks like it is not the gearbox.
OK well that is good news. Pulling the diff is the easier and hopefully the cheaper option!!
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Old August 22nd, 2016, 05:28 PM
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I plan on pulling the diff. Does anyone know a shop in Denver that could do the repairs to the innards (pinion set, spider, etc...)?
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