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Old April 29th, 2014, 09:53 AM
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Series front bumper ideas needed

Im looking for front bumper ideas / pictures for my 65 109, As part of my rebuild I am returning the front back to the SIIa style. I want a full "brush" front
I have not seen many designs that protect the wings that look good and flow with the vehicle. I think the series front is a challenge to have it look clean but be an effective design.
My winch is an 8274 style, and I will do the fab work
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Old April 29th, 2014, 10:51 AM
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Brush guards tend to get pushed into the wings, doing more damage than they prevent.
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Old April 29th, 2014, 11:08 AM
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Brush guards tend to get pushed into the wings, doing more damage than they prevent.
We call them damage multipliers.
My thought is to build them from 1 3/4" dia or 2", 1/4" wall dome tubing.
Main bumper will be 2X4 tubing with the hawse centered

I just can't picture a design the doesn't screw with the asthetics of the series front
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Old April 29th, 2014, 11:16 AM
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sounds like you need the camel trophy style guard for the 8274, like ECR has on this one:


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Old April 29th, 2014, 11:24 AM
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CT 83? 84? when they used the series 3's, had brushbars. basically loops for each wing, the middle was open for the winch, fueltanks etc.
By decalring that you want to return it back to original S2A style, then a brushbar is pretty much out.

Ive never really seen anything that looked right. There was a thread on the RN forum about 3-4 months ago? about this very topic.



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Old April 29th, 2014, 01:24 PM
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Like this CT? Looks like they would fold back into the wings if you hit something.
Mine also has 4 headlights: 2 in the wings and 2 in the radiator support
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Old April 29th, 2014, 02:39 PM
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Ive never really seen anything that looked right. There was a thread on the RN forum about 3-4 months ago? about this very topic.
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Just looked at the RN, post circa june 2013...Not much to use for ideas
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Here is mine, sorry bad picture
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Here is mine, sorry bad picture
That's nice; looks good with the truck
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Im looking for front bumper ideas / pictures for my 65 109, As part of my rebuild I am returning the front back to the SIIa style. I want a full "brush" front
I have not seen many designs that protect the wings that look good and flow with the vehicle. I think the series front is a challenge to have it look clean but be an effective design.
My winch is an 8274 style, and I will do the fab work
thanks
pete


Brush bars aren't really meant to protect the car in a head on collision. But they do a great job of keeping light to heavy brush off the panels and providing some additional protection for the occupants in a variety of collision scenarios.


I have this FS. I believe it is from a IIa ambulance. It is missing the two diagonal bars that run down to the chassis tabs at the radiator support. They are just flat stock so easy enough to fab up. I was asking $100. (what I paid)
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Here is mine, sorry bad picture
Thta is one of the better (more flowing with body style) ideas ive seen thanks
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here is what is on a Series I have right now. It is actually coming off and going up for sale. Extremely well made (Wolf Fabrication) and very nice. PM me if interested.
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ARB Bumper.

I don't know how many deer, trees, rocks, Fords, etc I've hit, but I've always won.

After 12 years, it needs new paint.
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Old May 23rd, 2014, 08:58 AM
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ARB Bumper.

I don't know how many deer, trees, rocks, Fords, etc I've hit, but I've always won.

After 12 years, it needs new paint.
Can you attach a picture of the ARB bumper?
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Im looking for front bumper ideas / pictures for my 65 109, As part of my rebuild I am returning the front back to the SIIa style. I want a full "brush" front
I have not seen many designs that protect the wings that look good and flow with the vehicle. I think the series front is a challenge to have it look clean but be an effective design. My winch is an 8274 style, and I will do the fab work
What are your functional needs from a front bumper?
Will you be doing a lot of wheeling and need extra strength recovery points?
Will you be traveling in areas that are prone to stray livestock and large animals and need more front end impact protection?
Will you be doing a lot of technical off roading and rock crawling and need body protection?
How much brush will you be encountering that you will need to guard from it?

I ask the above because it seems most people with off road truck tend install aftermarket bumpers the way some install big wings and lowering springs on Japanese sedans: as ornament. I have gringo buddy in Costa Rica who owns a 1999 D110 with CT brush guard on the front, he won't wheel with us because he is afraid he may damage it....

On a less snarky note:
An ARB from bumper will be a massive weight gain to your truck with marginal value add. If you are running the stock 2.25 engine, adding it, and the winch, will quite noticeable to your right foot.
With a winch plate the OEM bumper will work fine to mount your winch
IMO, head light protectors are much more effective than brush guard (and for reasons noted above). And cheaper, IIRC Proline are like 40 bux from RN. I've never had headlight damage from brush but have from truck in front of me kicking rocks back
LR OEM recovery points work extremely well
Over bumpers will provide a bit more front quarter protection and are OEM style
If you decide you do need a a front bumper with significantly more more strength check out Safari Guard, Equipe, and Rock Ware for design ideas.
Also, FWIW, I off-road A LOT and rocker protection to me is way more important than a bull-bar from bumper.

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Doug Shipman makes these. The height of the center section allows the early S2 headlights to shine unobstructed. Its very stout.
That looks excellent and perhaps not to heavy. Winch clearance may be tight in that hoop tho.
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[QUOTE=REDrum;532991]
I ask the above because it seems most people with off road truck tend install aftermarket bumpers the way some install big wings and lowering springs on Japanese sedans: as ornament. I have gringo buddy in Costa Rica who owns a 1999 D110 with CT brush guard on the front, he won't wheel with us because he is afraid he may damage it....

On a less snarky note:
Snarkiness noted
I live in rural sw Virginia and deer are rodents I average three kills a year when the 109 is back on the road I hope to have better wing protection. Also the D1 coiler chassis we are using we have added rock sliders. My winch is an 8274. The truck will see light wheeling on forest service type trails and roads

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Doug Shipman makes these. The height of the center section allows the early S2 headlights to shine unobstructed. Its very stout.

-Jeff
Thanks Jeff the photo helps with fine tuning some ideas

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Doug Shipman makes these. The height of the center section allows the early S2 headlights to shine unobstructed. Its very stout.

-Jeff
Thanks Jeff the photo helps with fine tuning some ideas
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here is what is on a Series I have right now. It is actually coming off and going up for sale. Extremely well made (Wolf Fabrication) and very nice. PM me if interested.
A half hour with an angle grinder, thin cut off wheel and a couple flap disks and that thing would be dialed. It has winch and recovery already - just need to take the stinger out. (And no offense to your work Wolf)
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