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Old December 10th, 2013, 01:39 AM
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Series 1 compatibility

Been researching about the Series 1, seems parts are difficult to come by. Which lead me to question if there are compatible series 2 parts that could be used on the Series 1 88" when parts dry up?. I know that some S1 owners convert to the 2.25 L engine, but is it compatible with the S1 trans?. Also some parts like the swivels, diffs , front props shaft (but not rear), can also be interchanged it seems, but not axles, 1/2 shafts? While desirable to keep an S1 original, seems that very soon S1 owners will have no choice but to use non S1 parts. I haven't seen anything clear on the S1 compatibility with the other Series..
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The transmission is slightly different in that it has a manual clutch. I have been converting some of them over to "C" suffix by remaking the bell housing with the correct blend of parts and a machined hole on the bell housing (if its a LHD) or RHD can use the standard part.

I have a pretty good stack of 2.0 motors from my early series II junkyard (same motor as the SI) but generally people have been opting for the 2.25 purely out of cost considerations.

Axles I can custom make after I run out of used.

Diffs are common to both. I make my own driveshafts.
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The transmission is slightly different in that it has a manual clutch... .


Ummmm, maybe "mechanical" clutch?
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The transmission is slightly different in that it has a manual clutch. I have been converting some of them over to "C" suffix by remaking the bell housing with the correct blend of parts and a machined hole on the bell housing (if its a LHD) or RHD can use the standard part.

I have a pretty good stack of 2.0 motors from my early series II junkyard (same motor as the SI) but generally people have been opting for the 2.25 purely out of cost considerations.

Axles I can custom make after I run out of used.

Diffs are common to both. I make my own driveshafts.

Good info!. Manual clutch? as in external linkage vs internal?, then the bell housing would have to be switched to later type S2 because of bolt pattern if one decides to go to the 2.25, or convert the old S1 bell housing.

It also seems that the 2.0l engine internals are pretty much the same as the 2.25L but more susceptible to valve and crankshaft wear than the 2.25L.

The only problem I see with upgrading is the down grading of the original S1 with non original S1 components, which is a dilemma I guess based on use or show..
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Body panels seem to be the worst to find IME. Took forever to find decent 80" doors. The cost of a proper rebuild of a 1.6/2.0 engine is astronomical. I like Ike's 4 cylinder MB powered 80in shop truck.

That said, I am thinking about parting ways with my long term parts hoarding of my 80in stuff as I will never get the time to put it all together and, even if I did, I am too tall to drive it comfortably (not that I drive my SII ....)
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Body panels seem to be the worst to find IME. Took forever to find decent 80" doors. The cost of a proper rebuild of a 1.6/2.0 engine is astronomical. I like Ike's 4 cylinder MB powered 80in shop truck.

That said, I am thinking about parting ways with my long term parts hoarding of my 80in stuff as I will never get the time to put it all together and, even if I did, I am too tall to drive it comfortably (not that I drive my SII ....)
What is the average cost for rebuilding a 2.0L and why? seems the parts are pretty much same as the 2.25L
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What is the average cost for rebuilding a 2.0L and why? seems the parts are pretty much same as the 2.25L
Parts are completely different between the two engines and the parts are rare and expensive (like $150 a valve seat expensive). If you are talking 2.0 diesel in an SI, the parts are similar but the last running one I knew of died like 5 years ago.
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[QUOTE=evilfij;489476]Parts are completely different between the two engines and the parts are rare and expensive (like $150 a valve seat expensive).:

Damn.. Now I know why peeps in the US opt for the 2.25L
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That said, I am thinking about parting ways with my long term parts hoarding of my 80in stuff as I will never get the time to put it all together and, even if I did, I am too tall to drive it comfortably (not that I drive my SII ....)
You dont happen to have the rear tub, do you?

A friend up in PA might be in need...
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You dont happen to have the rear tub, do you?

A friend up in PA might be in need...
Last I heard I thought he was all set with that?
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Last I heard I thought he was all set with that?
I think Steve got it sorted.
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Good info!. Manual clutch? as in external linkage vs internal?, then the bell housing would have to be switched to later type S2 because of bolt pattern if one decides to go to the 2.25, or convert the old S1 bell housing.

It also seems that the 2.0l engine internals are pretty much the same as the 2.25L but more susceptible to valve and crankshaft wear than the 2.25L.

The only problem I see with upgrading is the down grading of the original S1 with non original S1 components, which is a dilemma I guess based on use or show..
Yes, mechanical…..the word I was searching for vs the hydraulic system in later yrs. Yes the bell housings have to be swapped………in fact there is a whole bunch of swapping and making bits. To be honest I can't tell you what I did without researching my own work lol. I do know that there are a couple of SI's out there with Suffix C transmissions in them that I put there, both of them are 88" wheelbase, as are (oddly) most of the SI's I see on a regular basis.

If anyone want 2.0 engines I have probably a half dozen that are useable as in not frozen and complete.
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Thanks for the info, I'm keeping notes for future use as I learn more about the S1 88"
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Last I heard I thought he was all set with that?
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Series 1 parts

Series 1 parts 'compatibility' is an interesting topic in building an NAS 1951 80" from an incomplete basket case. Using Series IIA (1966) engine and axles having previously rebuilt a 2.0 liter in a 1952 80". Outwardly trying to preserve all the 80" characteristics (through-the-floor pedals, instruments, 1.5" rear springs, etc.). 80" parts are not easy to find.

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Series 1 parts 'compatibility' is an interesting topic in building an NAS 1951 80" from an incomplete basket case. Using Series IIA (1966) engine and axles having previously rebuilt a 2.0 liter in a 1952 80". Outwardly trying to preserve all the 80" characteristics (through-the-floor pedals, instruments, 1.5" rear springs, etc.). 80" parts are not easy to find.

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I would imagine the 80 series would be the most difficult to find parts for.
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I would imagine the 80 series would be the most difficult to find parts for.
Thankfully Jeremy lives about 20min from me ....
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Thankfully Jeremy lives about 20min from me ....
As evidenced by the clutch withdrawal housing, bumper, and bulkhead grab bar and steering column support so far . . .
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