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Old January 25th, 2014, 02:27 PM
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Just picked up new landy series 3 with a 300tdi today, not too sure about what gearbox it has but after a 150 mile journey back, just round the corner from my house, bang, something poking out of the back of the gearbox, not entirely sure of what it is, could it have done any more damage to the gears Ect'
Won't go into any gear but free wheels so was able to tow home, the end of the shaft in the picture is what was visible, cheers


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Old January 25th, 2014, 02:45 PM
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Just found out what it is, what damage could it have done to the internals of the box, if any? It fired out of the back of the box through what looks like a removable cover, tried pushing it back in but it's solid, cheers
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Old January 25th, 2014, 02:54 PM
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Good lord. Does it have a series gearbox with a tdi? Basically it is a write off. You need to convert to an R380/LT230. Good luck.
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Old January 25th, 2014, 03:01 PM
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I did think it was an inferior box for that engine haha, thanks

------ Follow up post added January 25th, 2014 02:03 PM ------

I did think it was an inferior box for that conversion haha, thanks guys
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Old January 25th, 2014, 06:32 PM
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That is the mainshaft!
No, it's not the mainshaft (trust me, I've broken a few of those). That's the reverse gear shaft. Just take the cover of the x-fer case, push the reverse gear back into position, then re-install the shaft. IIRC, there is an o-ring on it that you should probably replace, and you likely need the retainer & bolt (becasuse if the retainer & bolt were ther, the reverse shaft would still be in position).
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Old January 25th, 2014, 08:37 PM
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Jeff, I thought that was the intermediate shaft? #55 on RN's diagram: http://www.roversnorth.com/Products....ey=cat&cpage=1

Like Jeff said, drop the pan, put the bearings back inside the gear (inspect for wear though) and there should be two shims that go on either side of that shaft (also inspect for wear). The shaft slips through the casing and through the gear, it is held in place by a rectangular flange that is secured in place near the head of a bolt. Sounds like that bolt came out and that shaft wiggled free. All is not lost yet, but I will echo what others have said about looking into a r380 conversion in the future.

In this picture from my rebuild I have circled the bolt that is responsible for holding the shaft in place and also circled where the shim and the end of the shaft sits. I could not find a picture of my transfer case with the shaft in place.

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Old January 26th, 2014, 06:32 AM
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Next question is, what one fits in a series 3 with the least problems with props?
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Old January 26th, 2014, 06:59 AM
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Pick up a used box for now and either swap the two parts over or cannabalize it for parts to fit into yours.

Now once it's rolling again you'll have time to consider the r380/lt230 combination at your leisure.
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200 or 300 TDI

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Just picked up new landy series 3 with a 300tdi today...Attachment 88607
As suggested, that's the shaft in the transfer case that the main gear rides on.
There is a slot in the shaft that a flat piece of steel fits into that has a hole in it to clamp it to the outside housing of the series transfer case.

My guess without under hood pictures is that if you have a TDI engine at all, it is a 200TDI and not a 300TDI.
Do you have serpentine fan belts or V-belts. This will be a good indicator.
Do you have a turbo?

I hope the PO didn't install a TDI engine without the turbo.
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Old January 26th, 2014, 11:40 AM
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Did you flat tow it home? I never tow the trucks with series gearboxes in them very far without removing the driveshafts. You may have caused the damage yourself.

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Just picked up new landy series 3 with a 300tdi today, not too sure about what gearbox it has but after a 150 mile journey back, just round the corner from my house, bang, something poking out of the back of the gearbox, not entirely sure of what it is, could it have done any more damage to the gears Ect'
Won't go into any gear but free wheels so was able to tow home, the end of the shaft in the picture is what was visible, cheers

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Old January 26th, 2014, 01:15 PM
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Definitely 300tdi, no pics at the mo, yeah turbo is there and it wasn't towed, it did 150 miles of motorway driving and then broke a couple of streets round the corner from home
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Old January 26th, 2014, 02:02 PM
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Not to mention, the offending part is from the transfer box, not the gearbox. There may be some damage to the transfer box, you need to drop the bottom pan and inspect everything. But, maybe be repairable without removing the box if the damage isn't too bad.

A swap to R380 is rather involved, I would fix this transfer box and drive what you have until the gearbox goes. It may last longer than some think.
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Jeff, I thought that was the intermediate shaft? #55 on RN's diagram: http://www.roversnorth.com/Products....ey=cat&cpage=1
Oops, yes. That's what this Jeff meant as well. Not sure why I was thinking reverse gear, other than it being a short shaft as well.
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Old January 27th, 2014, 04:14 PM
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Would be a good time to consider a high ratio transfer box for a replacement if your diffs are still 4.7
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Old January 28th, 2014, 03:56 PM
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Old January 28th, 2014, 04:17 PM
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I assume by Bristol...you are in the UK... Just grab a transfer case at the closest breakers. Grab an R380 and LT230 from a Defender at the same time for a later project. If you were in the USA, life would be rougher. In the UK, no big deal.

And for future reference, you can't trust very many people selling used Land Rovers....
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IF it is Bristol, give Apricot Motors (01454 777544) a shout, Dom there should be able to sort you out. not far from J19 M4
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Remember if you change to a Disco/Defender/RRc box you will need to swap the front axle as well...
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