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Old April 29th, 2013, 06:57 AM
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Help with purchase - 1966 Series

Hi everyone,

I know very little about the older Series trucks, could you please help me and let me know what I should be looking for.

I saw this truck last week and asked if it was for sale, the owner said "Yes".

So I went back this weekend and took some pics and inspected it. The owner said it ran last year but has been sitting since then.

From what I can tell it has a shitty paint job, looks like floors have been replaced, has some surface rust on frame, oil looks a bit milky, has two sets of tires/rim, all new seats (6 of them) and no visible water in radiator.

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Old April 29th, 2013, 06:59 AM
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Old April 29th, 2013, 07:00 AM
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Old April 29th, 2013, 07:01 AM
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I realize it needs a full restore and am willing to do one, I just want to know if the engine is toast would it be easy to find a replacement? How about the doors, can they be purchased new?

Why does it have an upper and lower tailgate? Is this a pickup model?

And finally, what do you guys think it's worth?

Thanks in advance!!!
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Old April 29th, 2013, 07:40 AM
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Frame and bulkhead (firewall) are what to look for...

John C.
The main points to look at are the frame and bulkhead.
I couldn't get a complete feel for the frame because the pictures don't show it very well.
The frame pictures look as if there is more than surface rust as there is some metal flaking and falling off.
The outriggers and rear crossmember can be replaced provided the main rails are solid and thus provides a solid place to weld to.
You'll want to poke around with a screwdriver looking to uncover weak points that have rusted out.

The shots of the bulkhead don't show a complete view, but it doesn't look too bad from what I saw documented in the pictures.

The engine can be rebuilt or replaced with an updated and more powerful unit or there is the possibility that a new head gasket and or cylinder head might put it in service again.

The prices on series vehicles wary and depending on the true frame and bulkhead condition could be worth from $1000 to say $3000.

It does have a Kodiak heater which is correct for the period and worth $200 or so.

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Old April 29th, 2013, 07:50 AM
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Like Rob said...also looks like it has an Overdrive, depending on type that is worth some $$, plus overall pretty good shape.

Try and pick it up for as little as you can - if you need points to justify your purchase point to him:
- Non-running engine (look at dipstick - could be blown head) = $1500 for new engine
- Bulkhead - find some weak points
- Paintjob, stripping it off and repainting = $2500
- Non original exhaust - needs to be moved behind mudflap??? weird it would be there
- Non original wiring loom - not sure what all those fuses are for? Only two fuses on an original one

As far as the "clamshell" rear - yes these are standard - but very rare - great find as the top can be removed and you have a "pickup" convertible easy!

Def worth what Rob mentions.

If you don't buy it send me a PM with details please.

OH BTW - this is a rare BUGEYE model too...
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Old April 29th, 2013, 07:58 AM
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Thanks Rob and Craig!

I'll go back and take a closer look at the frame and bulkhead.

Craig, if I pass on this truck I'll let you know.
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Old April 29th, 2013, 08:20 AM
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There are parts of the truck that show that someone tried to love it in the not so distant past. It is a shame about the paint job.

I wager you could probably make it move again with a head job. Some soap and water - inside and out - may do wonders. For $3K and a head job - you could be in the Series game for short money.

But if you are looking for a really nice truck - then this is going to need a lot of $$$$ like Robert and Craig said. With it being a Bug-Eye, it might be a worthy candidate for rehabilitation.

In addition to everything that they said to look at - the door tops look a little crusty around the bottom edge (that may be dirt or fuzzy photo).

In the end, it is a 40 year old truck and I would assume you could find wear, corrosion or fault in almost every part on the truck. Series ownership takes a different perspective.....
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Old April 29th, 2013, 08:24 AM
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Just FYI, a complete resto on this vehicle will cost you somewhere between 15 and 25 thousand. That's if you do much of the work yourself. If you have a shop do it, add significantly more.

If you just want to make it a driver and not worry about it continuing to fall apart, then maybe you will drop 5K or so on brakes tires suspension, engine and such.
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Old April 29th, 2013, 08:48 AM
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My series III restoration took about 5 years to complete but stayed on a budget.
I did all the work myself except the engine rebuild and it ended up costing $10K and that is with a new galv. chassis, galv bulkhead, breakfast and everything else that could rust, complete engine rebuild, NOS rear axle, all NOS suspension, NOS lower dash. Truck had everything but bodywork and paint done on it. Finding deals when they become available is far cheaper than just buying parts when you need them which is what kept my costs down, though it makes for a lengthy project. Looks like less than $1,000 truck to me based on so many unknowns.

Bill is accurate with his estimate of cost to restore completely. I just stepped into some real good deals which helped a lot.
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Old April 29th, 2013, 08:54 AM
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Thanks guys!!

I wonder if I should just swap over the body onto a DI frame and use the V8 setup?????

I would like to restore this truck for my daughter, she likes it alot and is willing to help with the restore.

The asking price is 1K so I guess I'll offer 750 and see what happens.

Thanks for all the tips!!
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Old April 29th, 2013, 09:01 AM
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The asking price is 1K so I guess I'll offer 750 and see what happens.

Thanks for all the tips!!
Good to see the owner is a realist and not a dreamer, good luck, hope you get it.
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Old April 29th, 2013, 10:11 AM
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WOW - that is a bargain!! Get on it now before I find out where it is!!!!!!
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The paint job doesn't look that bad to me, other than being what appears to be rattle-can black. Probably very easy to remove with paint stripper and a sander. (Someone really needs to make a business that allows cars to drive in and be soda or glass-bead blasted in-place.)

The rust is a different issue. That surface rust looks a lot deeper than light surface rust. If you are planning a frame swap, then that's fine, although the bulkhead may need some help. Obviously the doors have some issues, but getting replacement series doors isn't all that expensive.
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Old April 29th, 2013, 06:56 PM
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I'm with the others. I think this IS worth saving! Cost is going to depend on what you intend it for. I bought a 1960 109 in simular shape for $800. I have probably spent $10-15 on the rebuild. that is with galvanizing my chassis and bulkhead, ROAM disc brakes conversion, stainless fittings, new hoses, brake/clutch mc's and lines, etc....
I have been working on it for almost 2 years and should be done by the end of next month(May).
The rear fuel tank outrigger support looks to me like it needs replacing. Can't tell about much of the rest of the frame. Milky oil indicates water in it--if the radiator is MT I'd suspect a head gaset broke. You'd have to pull the head to see if the engine needs work.

Good luck1 your daughter will love/curse ya!

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Old April 29th, 2013, 07:47 PM
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Thanks guys!!!

She is super psyched!!! I told her if she can drive a Series truck she can drive anything. She's an art major so I wonder what her paint choices will be. She got her motorcycle last winter and wants a café racer so I guess she will color coordinate the truck and bike
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OH BTW - this is a rare BUGEYE model too...
Never seen a bugeye with the headlights in the breakfast. All bugeyes I have seen have headlights mounted on the fenders. For the record, in the case of a bugeye since most people do not find them attractive, rare does not mean desirable.

Definitely worth saving.

Good luck.
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Old April 30th, 2013, 06:53 AM
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X2, this is NOT a bug eye.

However, nice find , sounds like it will be a cool build !
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Old April 30th, 2013, 07:37 AM
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Not a bugeye. Bugeyes have their lights on the wing fronts, not in recessed panels like S3's and defenders.


GRAB this TRUCK!!!
At 1k you could clean it well and flip and make a grand easy.
More fuses the merrier. if they are working.

if you want to ease the learning curve a bit for your daughter, a series 3 transmission has synchros on all gears.

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Bugeye, late 1968

Carey & Steve are correct.
The Bugeye was a short lived transition between having the headlamps in the radiator support and moving them out to the fenders.
The factory came up with a new radiator support and moved the same headlight assembly that was uned on the earlier models out onto the early IIA wings.
To my knowledge, this redesign was unique to the 88, but there is usually an exception to any rule.
Then in 1969 the front fender panel was redesigned to take a more recessed headlamp panel without the chrome ring.

People often mistakenly refer to the series II and early IIA as a Bugeye because the headlamps are located in the radiator support, which is an incorrect use of the Bugeye term.
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