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Old May 20th, 2015, 03:43 PM
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1964 Series II what should I do????

I have a 1964 Series IIA 88" with the 4 cylinder gas engine and LHD. I am wanting to make the vehicle more comfortable to drive, reliable and all around better. I own a performance shop so we are open to ideas, thoughts, and sources for parts on this project. We have had the guys suggest everything from a 4bt cummins, 200 and 300 TDI, or just keeping the motor in it and swapping to a better transmission. Let me know what you guys would suggest.

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Old May 20th, 2015, 03:54 PM
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Few options

1. Drive the classic for comfort, and appreciate the 88" as the tractor it is
2. Ruin the 88 with fancy seats and buggered drivetrain
3. Sell it and get a Defender that will be slightly better
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Old May 20th, 2015, 03:55 PM
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I have this same debate every time i buy a series, improve power, brakes, suspension, add power steering and ultimately end up in the same place....love it for what it is and if you want all that other stuff buy a defender.
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Old May 20th, 2015, 03:57 PM
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Few options

1. Drive the classic for comfort, and appreciate the 88" as the tractor it is
2. Ruin the 88 with fancy seats and buggered drivetrain
3. Sell it and get a Defender that will be slightly better
Such a Zack Response
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Old May 20th, 2015, 04:00 PM
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Such a Zack Response
Far more detailed and honest than my normal responses...
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Old May 20th, 2015, 04:00 PM
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I learned the drive with this vehicle over 20 years ago. I will not be getting rid of it. I understand that a large group of people will not like or approve what I will be doing with these Rovers but at the end of the day they are mine and will be a touch different. Here is my thoughts.

64 - 4bt swap, NV4500, LT230, new seats, lights, springs, shocks and etc.

89 Rover - Engine is toast and not wanting to go back rover as many of the vehicles we build we install LS2-3 engines in them with stand alone harnesses. I am not a fan of automatic transmissions so once Again here are my thoughts.
LS2, NV4500, LT230, small lift, wheels, tires, tint and keep the rest simple.
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Old May 20th, 2015, 04:03 PM
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in that case go with the LS /NV4500 option but you are going to snap your axles so upgrade those too.
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Old May 20th, 2015, 04:05 PM
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Internals of axles or toyota or what are you thinking?
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Old May 20th, 2015, 04:07 PM
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Ive got 1 ton axles under my series.. GM Eaton H072 rear and 101FC front..
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Old May 20th, 2015, 04:07 PM
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Why don't you buy a full D1 5 speed truck, swap over the axles, springs, drivetrain, seats, etc?
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Old May 20th, 2015, 04:11 PM
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There are so many series that have botch jobs to make them better that ruin the vehicle and it's value.
If you want something faster and more comfortable sell this and buy a defender style vehicle, then you can modify it easier because the frame rails are spread further apart, the transmissions stronger for more powerful engines and the suspension coil sprung for a softer more comfortable ride.
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Old May 20th, 2015, 04:21 PM
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I am actually working on buying 3 D1's and one is a 5 speed. I purchased a 95 Range Rover for parts in the future for $500.00. We will just have to see as I am in the middle of a Jeep TJ project trying to get lined out and finished. I believe I will do the Range Rover first as I already have the LS2, NV4500 and if I can score the three D1's i will have plenty of LT230 and parts.

------ Follow up post added May 20th, 2015 04:25 PM ------

Yes, plenty of people do botch jobs on everything but this will not be. Here are some pics of projects and etc we have worked on.







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Old May 20th, 2015, 05:35 PM
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Remove the paint from the galvanized bits. They like that and will respond by running better.


Or if you don't care for double clutching, you can "upgrade" to a fully synchronized Series III gearbox without changing its basic character. A good running 2.25 with an OD isn't going to be fast, but should be fast enough.
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Old May 20th, 2015, 05:43 PM
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What transmission should i be looking for in the series III?
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 01:27 AM
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Series 3 gearboxes are essentially the same until the end of the run, minor improvements over the years so the newer the better. Land Rover was made in Spain and nationalized so they made a lot of local modifications. The Santana gearbox from Spain is considered to be excellent, far better than the British one I understand.

If you want to keep it a reasonable vehicle to drive without changing to a Frankenmonster, keep the four cylinder, but the newer 2.5 litre, add SU carb, electronic ign, plane the head, polish and port or buy a head already improved. You can easily get a hundred HP from it. Originally it would have had less than 80. Put that Santana gearbox in it, an overdrive, parabolic springs (1" lift) if you need more lift lower the spring purch and military shackles add another two inches.
Torrel disk brakes from Rocky Mountain, power booster. Power steering, new seats, I hear Smart Car seats work.

Lots of upgrades you can do with axles.

There is lots you can do to it without shoehorning a V8 into it and finding it just isn't right. Been there, done that.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 08:33 AM
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If that were mine and I was itching for a project I'd do the following:

- As Meatblanket suggested......re-galvanize the painted bits

- Looks like you have a Koenig Winch on there run from the Transfer case. While cool, you can't have an Overdrive too. Lose that and replace it with either a crank driven version or slam an 8274 on there.

- OD, after the old winch is gone order a nice new Rock Mountain Overdrive. That will transform the truck into something that does not sound like it's going to explode when you get on the highway.

- I like the IIA gearboxes, but will agree that I "feel" like series 3 trucks are faster. Probably in my head, but a fully syncronized box is pretty nice.

- If your springs and shocks are worn out which the probably are, use this opportunity to put on a set of parabolics.......I have Rocky Mountain on all of my trucks and like them. Or you can get a nice set of custom leaf springs.

- Get a taller tire..........Run a set of 235/85 on a nice 16" wheel.

- For the hell of it, I'd lose the top and put on a nice Exmoor Tan soft top.

- If you are still not happy (which I doubt will be the case) you can do a bunch of stuff to the motor. I have a buddy here that modifies his 2.25 big time........shaved head, SU carbs, chevy grind on the cam, etc.......

Anyway, make sure to update this thread with whatever you do, the truck sounds like it will be in good hands regardless. It's nice looking and I love the red.
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 09:30 AM
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You haven't mentioned budget but my two cents on the series: Get a galvanized coil chassis, 200 or 300 Tdi with R380 stumpy, LT230, disc brake axles from one of the D1s. Should hit your comfort and driveability goals while still keeping it rover..
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 09:52 AM
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I agree with Mike but if the frame is good just convert to parabolic sand it will be nice.. Definitely the 200 or 300 tdi and either the r380 stumpy or the normal lt77... Light tuck, decent powered engine, still rover...good ta go..
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Interested to see what happens to this truck
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Old May 23rd, 2015, 10:31 AM
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Seeing the conversations about Original Trucks in the UK becoming few and far between and hearing folks moan about how expensive they're becoming...I wouldn't do anything to that 88 that can't be un-done.

Maybe that means that it gets a 200Tdi and a 5-speed?

OTOH, the only reason that my nasty old Disco still lives at my house is in case an already, ahem, modified 88 pops up it may become "improved"
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