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Old August 31st, 2013, 11:47 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Land-...#ht_500wt_1021

That should read "salvage". Sorry
It's only priced at double what it should be.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 10:24 AM
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This guy Wayne always buys salvaged trucks and tries to sell them at the same price they go for when there is a clean title and no damage. Suckers seem to buy them though.

Truck doesn't even have A/C.

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Old September 1st, 2013, 01:03 PM
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45 seconds of review shows that it needs:

Hood
Radiator
Fenders
Wings
Grille guard
Front SD cage pieces
AC compressor
Panhard/steering box/other steering components
Trans cooler
Fan/Fan shroud
All front lamps/electrical crap
Driver door

Bet the bulkhead was tweaked - and it looks like the front right of the frame looks bent, unless that's the camera angle?
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Old September 1st, 2013, 01:27 PM
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I don't think it's the camera angle, the driver side front corner of the frame looks completely bent.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 01:53 PM
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This and the red and black fire and ice looking one were sold at copart salvage auction on Friday.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:08 PM
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I don't think it's the camera angle, the driver side front corner of the frame looks completely bent.
Yeah, you're right. So, it's Sunday and the kids are at the pool and wife is at Trader Joes, so I can calculate this without interruption, with new OEM/part numbers:

Hood/RTC6213: $970
Radiator/ESR3685: $700
Fenders/ASR1876/7: $1500
Wings/ALR8208/9: $800
Grille guard/ASR1772: $500
Front SD cage piece/ALR5539: $1500
AC compressor/BTR5750: $370
Panhard/drag link/steering box/other steering components (too many numbers): $1000
Trans cooler/FTC5360: $239
Fan/Fan shroud/NTC5685 & STC3969G: $320
All front lamps/electrical crap (too many numbers): $350
Driver door/ALR6257: $550
Bumper/ANR3822: $289
Bulkhead: $2800
Frame: $3400

Total: $15,288 and doesn't include all the crap like slam panel, hoses, belts, screws, whatever I ignored. Cut 40% if you search and wait for good prices/D-90, import or eBay. Maybe you can cut 60% for used, which would make the low end $6115.

Still would need labor. I'm not going to claim that the $19k asking price can't somehow be a deal for someone, but the numbers just don't point in that direction.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:32 PM
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Yeah, you're right. So, it's Sunday and the kids are at the pool and wife is at Trader Joes, so I can calculate this without interruption, with new OEM/part numbers:

Hood/RTC6213: $970
Radiator/ESR3685: $700
Fenders/ASR1876/7: $1500
Wings/ALR8208/9: $800
Grille guard/ASR1772: $500
Front SD cage piece/ALR5539: $1500
AC compressor/BTR5750: $370
Panhard/drag link/steering box/other steering components (too many numbers): $1000
Trans cooler/FTC5360: $239
Fan/Fan shroud/NTC5685 & STC3969G: $320
All front lamps/electrical crap (too many numbers): $350
Driver door/ALR6257: $550
Bumper/ANR3822: $289
Bulkhead: $2800
Frame: $3400

Total: $15,288 and doesn't include all the crap like slam panel, hoses, belts, screws, whatever I ignored. Cut 40% if you search and wait for good prices/D-90, import or eBay. Maybe you can cut 60% for used, which would make the low end $6115.

Still would need labor. I'm not going to claim that the $19k asking price can't somehow be a deal for someone, but the numbers just don't point in that direction.
Don't forget taxes for all of those items
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Old September 1st, 2013, 03:13 PM
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Don't forget taxes for all of those items
Yep, and shipping is probably at least $1000.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 03:23 PM
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This and the red and black fire and ice looking one were sold at copart salvage auction on Friday.

Anyone know what it sold for at auction?
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Old September 1st, 2013, 07:46 PM
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Anyone know what it sold for at auction?
$5k?
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Old September 1st, 2013, 07:53 PM
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I have a call in to try and find out I know you can prebid and when I last looked the day before it was only at $1200 but that doesnt mean much. When katrina hit there were a bunch of defenders from NYC and Jersey that hit IAA which is another salvage auction and those were salvage from flood damage most would not start or do anything and they sold in the $15k range. Id take this over that anyday but it may have gone for $5k or so I dont know but im still trying to find out.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 08:15 PM
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If you read the listing too hes never even seen the truck he bid online and is trying to make a killing without even touching the vehicle just arranging for shipping to you.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 09:01 PM
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If you read the listing too hes never even seen the truck he bid online and is trying to make a killing without even touching the vehicle just arranging for shipping to you.
May be that way - I don't blame him for asking that kind of price, it's a business, and any buyer has to decide whether they can make it work. Someone with the rebuild experience and access to parts could potentially come out ahead. I personally don't see how it's remotely possible, but given how trucks with 100k+ miles appear to be selling in the 30k+ range, there's probably an angle somewhere.

AND I don't see this as a rebuild - sell the rear cage, dash, console, seats, seat box, ECU, bumper, tub, doors, transfer case, axles, etc.. you might be able to make 6-8k immediately. Unsure how much a salvage title would go for.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 10:13 PM
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He paid 15400 for the truck on copart on Friday. The pics are the same ones from the auction
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Old September 1st, 2013, 10:27 PM
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I stand by my comments in the post Josh linked to above regarding Wayne Gayre, the seller. He is a stand-up guy, but understand that he is all business. And based on my experience, the salvage 90 in question undoubtedly sold for more than $5K, as that dollar figure was the pre-bid price (i.e., the starting bid at the live auction).

For the record, while it may seem like a lot, I've seen more than a few salvage 90's go for $20K+ at salvage actions within the past 2-3 years. Not to mention that this truck was sold in CA, where they tend to fetch higher prices. Prices have gone up substantially from what they use to sell for. Also, a quick Google search on the VIN on this 90 reflects a sale within the past year or so by a CA dealer where it was advertised as having approx. 69,000 miles (see link below). So, likely a sub-100K mile truck.

http://www.carsauto.com/1997-land-ro...r-90-c-614.htm

IMHO, it's a fair price, and he'll get what he's asking for. Just my $.02.

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He paid 15400 for the truck on copart on Friday. The pics are the same ones from the auction
Thanks Tim, that's about what I was figuring it went for. We must have been typing at the same time!
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Old September 1st, 2013, 11:25 PM
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I stand by my comments in the post Josh linked to above regarding Wayne Gayre, the seller. He is a stand-up guy, but understand that he is all business. And based on my experience, the salvage 90 in question undoubtedly sold for more than $5K, as that dollar figure was the pre-bid price (i.e., the starting bid at the live auction).

For the record, while it may seem like a lot, I've seen more than a few salvage 90's go for $20K+ at salvage actions within the past 2-3 years. Not to mention that this truck was sold in CA, where they tend to fetch higher prices. Prices have gone up substantially from what they use to sell for. Also, a quick Google search on the VIN on this 90 reflects a sale within the past year or so by a CA dealer where it was advertised as having approx. 69,000 miles (see link below). So, likely a sub-100K mile truck.
I agree, this is a market and he's selling to that market - and in fact, I think it's great value-wise for NAS Defenders. If it sells quick, he'll continue to do it. If not, he'll adjust.

This one in particular, IMO versus other nicer shape salvages, just seems like a big hurdle to jump at that cost. That said, I'm not a mechanic or restorer, or someone who has access to cheaper parts, so the numbers don't look as good. Like I said, there's an angle for someone somewhere to bring this back from the dead.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 07:50 PM
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Yeah, you're right. So, it's Sunday and the kids are at the pool and wife is at Trader Joes, so I can calculate this without interruption, with new OEM/part numbers:

Hood/RTC6213: $970
Radiator/ESR3685: $700
Fenders/ASR1876/7: $1500
Wings/ALR8208/9: $800
Grille guard/ASR1772: $500
Front SD cage piece/ALR5539: $1500
AC compressor/BTR5750: $370
Panhard/drag link/steering box/other steering components (too many numbers): $1000
Trans cooler/FTC5360: $239
Fan/Fan shroud/NTC5685 & STC3969G: $320
All front lamps/electrical crap (too many numbers): $350
Driver door/ALR6257: $550
Bumper/ANR3822: $289
Bulkhead: $2800
Frame: $3400

Total: $15,288 and doesn't include all the crap like slam panel, hoses, belts, screws, whatever I ignored. Cut 40% if you search and wait for good prices/D-90, import or eBay. Maybe you can cut 60% for used, which would make the low end $6115.

Still would need labor. I'm not going to claim that the $19k asking price can't somehow be a deal for someone, but the numbers just don't point in that direction.
I talked to him on the phone today. He said if it doesn't sell he's gonna fix it and then sell it. He said it only needed $1500 in parts to fix it.
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I talked to him on the phone today. He said if it doesn't sell he's gonna fix it and then sell it. He said it only needed $1500 in parts to fix it.
I'd love to see how he came up with that figure.
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You need to get his definition of "fix" first.
Perhaps duct tape and bondo
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