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Old January 4th, 2011, 04:17 PM
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California has a special program where they give out a certain number of titles for stuff that is homebuilt or odd or whatever. This is what the Ariel Atom buyers have to do. I would bet that is what this guy did. Of course, you can get a title in a bunch of other states that says 2010 land rover defender with the correct VIN but it does not make it federally legal.
Wouldnt anyone be able to do it then?
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Old January 4th, 2011, 04:54 PM
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If you go to the website the svx wheels are everywhere and under accessories
You guys talking about those new wheels that are too shiny and say Defender down one spoke ?

Hell all I have to do is look out the front door to see those damn blingy things...
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Old January 4th, 2011, 04:58 PM
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You guys talking about those new wheels that are too shiny and say Defender down one spoke ?

Hell all I have to do is look out the front door to see those damn blingy things...
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Old January 4th, 2011, 04:59 PM
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Hell all I have to do is look out the front door to see those damn blingy things...
Doug, those'll look good out on the trails...
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Old January 4th, 2011, 05:07 PM
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Wouldnt anyone be able to do it then?
Makes it state legal not federal legal.

IMHO a new frame meets UK points system (see what is legal thread for description of this) 1983/4/5/6 is better than a brought in without EPA and DOT clearance, but titled in california as a 2010 truck.

Also, there are a very limited number of these exemptions available in california. It is one of those things like you have to camp outside of the DMV one day a year deals.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 06:57 PM
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You guys talking about those new wheels that are too shiny and say Defender down one spoke ?

Hell all I have to do is look out the front door to see those damn blingy things...
haha god I hate those SVX rims.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 07:31 PM
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I think it depends on the truck. I think they look totally out of place on a NAS truck. I think they look good on the SVXs obviously and on any upspec truck that has painted flares etc.

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Horsey, you're welcome to come over to my place and check one of them out. The grey one to be exact.
Ok, maybe I'm a little slow but I figured it out. Horsey is talking about them rims on your D-90. That is a great looking truck. do you have any pics posted on the site?

on the puma front, if one did aquire a 2010 would it be hard to get insurance?
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Old January 4th, 2011, 07:42 PM
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Ok, maybe I'm a little slow but I figured it out. Horsey is talking about them rims on your D-90. That is a great looking truck. do you have any pics posted on the site?

on the puma front, if one did aquire a 2010 would it be hard to get insurance?
No, It the same as getting a 1980's vehicle which it would be. Also why buy a 2010, when we can build you a 2011 spec.....lol
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Old January 4th, 2011, 07:49 PM
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I have been in a new 2008 in the UK. Really nice. I didn't drive it but they seem to have gotten the fit down much better than any station wagon I have been in the USA.
I see there are a bunch of posts on what is legal and what isn't. I dont understand or care to figure out the legalities of these so called rebuilds whether it be a 25 year old truck or a supposed NAS 110 restoration but most look great. I have seen a couple newer trucks in NJ or at least they have the buldge in the hood here and there. I haven't been up close to them but from a distance they are sweet.

If I didn't like having a soft top I would seriously look into one of these. I guess the decision would come down to the story the owner told me when selling it to me and what I could swallow.
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Old January 4th, 2011, 08:06 PM
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Ok, maybe I'm a little slow but I figured it out. Horsey is talking about them rims on your D-90. That is a great looking truck. do you have any pics posted on the site?

on the puma front, if one did aquire a 2010 would it be hard to get insurance?
No Horsey is talking about the fact that Brian bought a PUMA not the 90 he has
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Old January 4th, 2011, 08:25 PM
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Ok, so I'm not slow. I thought he might have snagged the one that was posted for 20 minutes a few days back by 1 of 40. Maybe he can post some rover porn pics for all of us later. Now, I'm seriously thinking about getting one of these as a daily driver. I could sell the RRS and keep my 90 and Shelby. Wife might shoot me though
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Old January 6th, 2011, 12:32 AM
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Chad, my 70yr old mother loves driving the 110 puma trucks so much I am getting her one, please bear in mind that her other car is a BMW Z4!!!

She and father had great fun in the snow over Xmas in one.
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Just remember that we have been all through this before. It all comes and goes in waves. Someday it will all blow up for all of us and it won't be anything new:

"Mr. John Harland
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Dear Mr. Harland:

We are responding to your request for an interpretation, addressed to Taylor Vinson of this Office, which we received on September 2, 1999.

We understand that the U.S. Customs Service will not allow entry into the United States of four Land Rover motor vehicles pursuant to the declaration that "the vehicle is 25 or more years old." You assert that these Land Rovers are restorations of vehicles that are more than 25 years old, and should be allowed entry under this declaration without the need to comply with the Federal motor vehicle safety standards. We note that such an entry is permitted by 49 U.S.C. Chapter 301, specifically by sec. 30112(b)(9).

Although you describe your modifications as "restorations," the question that we must decide is whether you are, in fact, restoring a motor vehicle that is 25 or more years old, or whether your operations go beyond restoration and must be regarded as assembling or manufacturing a motor vehicle; if the latter, then the vehicles can be imported only if they comply with Federal motor vehicle safety standards that apply to them on the date of their assembly or manufacture.

There is no definition of "restoration" in Chapter 301. This word is defined by the Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary (Special Second Edition, 1996) as "3. A return of something to a former, original, normal, or unimpaired condition." We believe that this is a generally accepted use of the word, especially as it pertains to the restoration of motor vehicles.

You have listed the items retained from the original vehicle, noting that "some were repaired, some were modified to accept accessories, all were stripped and refinished to as new condition." Original items retained are: "rear bodies, rear side panels with windows, all floors, side T-frames, bulkhead assembly, side rear doors (modified to accept modern door locks), front, top and side fenders, seat frames and cushions (retrimmed), seatbase with all bracketing, rear door (complete), all sill panels, transmission tunnel assembly" and "numerous smaller components; wiper motor assembly, fuel tanks and filler assemblies, heater assembly, steering rods, bumpers, headlight assemblies, hinges, brackets for body mount, crossmembers, various interior and exterior bracketry." You also retain "original VIN plates."

Other items of equipment are used, and come from Land Rovers whose ages are not specified as being over 25 years old. These are: "frames, axle casings, engine core units (on three vehicles), bonnets (on three), fender flares, radiator front panels (on three), steering boxes (to switch to safer LHD)."

Finally, there are the equipment items that are new and have not been used before: "signal light assemblies, stereo and speakers, batteries, electric window kits, air-conditioning kits (NAS kits approved for use in the US), mudflaps, side runners, winches (on two), bull bars (on two), skid plates, wheels and tires, springs and shock absorber kits, driving lights (on three), seatbelt shoulder harnesses, engine rebuilding parts, axle and steering rebuilding parts, wiring harness for interior, carpeting and soundproofing kits."

After reviewing these facts, we have concluded that your operations do not result in a return of these motor vehicles "to a former, original, normal, or unimpaired condition" within the meaning of the definition of "restoration." There are significant differences between the vehicles that come to you and those that leave you. The original vehicles were equipped with RHD (right hand drive) which you have converted to LHD (left hand drive). You appear to have added air-conditioning intended specifically for use in the United States, electric windows, and stereos and speakers, none of which were original equipment on the Land Rovers. For these reasons, we cannot accept your assertion that you are merely restoring Land Rovers that are 25 or more years old.

Instead, we have concluded that you are a "manufacturer" within the meaning of 49 U.S.C. Chapter 301. In pertinent part, a "manufacturer" is a person "manufacturing or assembling motor vehicles" (49 U.S.C. 30102(a)(5)(A)). The extent of disassembly of the original vehicle, the substitution of equipment not used in the original vehicle such as the engine and frame, and reassembly with certain items of new equipment is "manufacturing or assembling" within the meaning of the definition of "manufacturer." It follows from this that we regard the date of manufacture of your Land Rovers as the date that you complete the operations you have described in your letter. In short, though the original Land Rover may have been manufactured in 1974 or earlier, the vehicles refused entry into the United States are considered to have been manufactured in 1999.

This conclusion also means that these (and future) Land Rovers cannot be entered into the United States unless and until they conform and are certified as conforming to current Federal motor vehicle safety standards that apply to multipurpose passenger vehicles. You cite an agency interpretation stating that a vehicle that is produced from a chassis which has already been sold to the public is not considered a new vehicle and is not subject to Federal safety standards and certification requirements. This interpretation does not apply to your fact situation, and we do not need to decide whether the Land Rovers you manufacture in 1999 employing a used chassis are or are not "used" vehicles. Under Chapter 301, no motor vehicle less than 25 years old, whether new or used, can be imported into the United States unless it conforms, and is certified as conforming, to the Federal safety standards that were in effect at the time it was manufactured (49 U.S.C. 30112(a)).

As the United States is a market of interest to you, the agency's Office of Vehicle Safety Compliance will be pleased to provide you with guidance on the requirements of Chapter 301 and other Federal regulations that apply. You may write its Director, Ms. Marilynne Jacobs, for assistance.

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So this guy was Bringing in Defenders with 1974 or earler Vin Plates?
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So this guy was Bringing in Defenders with 1974 or earler Vin Plates?
Not sure of the years, but he was bringing in Defender 110s with SIII VINs applied.
He said he retained the original SIII chassis and modified it and therefore the 110 was just a rebuilt SIII and was therefore legal for 25 year import status.

If you use the search thingy on the NHTSA web site you can see all the letters and see how it played out.

I'm old enough to remember when this all went down. Lots of people ended up out a lot of $.

There was a USA side of it, a company called Expedition Rover if I recall, but I don't remember much about them.

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Just a note re: Custom built Defenders from John Harland at badrover.com Mr. Harland is a highly competent and entirely credible individual. His vehicles are assembled and finished to exceptional standards (Land Rover themselves should take notice).

I say this despite a nearly two year long battle with the Depart of Transportation that nearly bankrupted my company - Expedition Rovers - and precluded my continuing participation in Harland Rovers sales and distribution.

Despite this I can say without reservation that his vehicles
make any existing Defender 90 or 110 look like a pale imitation of the real thing."
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So what are you trying to say Mike?
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