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Old September 22nd, 2013, 10:56 AM
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2011 Puma Detroit CL

Not mine

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/4072981815.html

Talked to the guy and it at his house. He wants $75k but does not have a US title.

Where was CBP on this one?
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 11:31 AM
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Not mine http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/4072981815.html Talked to the guy and it at his house. He wants $75k but does not have a US title. Where was CBP on this one?
That is a nice ride.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 10:51 PM
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No title because it is from Mexico.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 10:56 PM
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Is that just based on the guy hanging around the rear view?
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 11:06 PM
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He's been trying to sell it for a long time. First time he claimed he was getting it federalized.
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 11:12 PM
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No. White roof.

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Is that just based on the guy hanging around the rear view?
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 07:38 AM
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Without a title or import docs it's impossible to title this vehicle in Florida... Too bad.
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 03:25 PM
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I suspect someone will buy it, then 'swap' the parts over onto a cheap import which already has a title.

Very risky!
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 04:03 PM
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It doesn't make sense even though I sort of agree someone may do it...

well let's see...75K for an illegal vehicle then swap parts? By the time you are done you are at over 100K... for what?

You take on all the risk...financial and legal.
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 04:17 PM
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no one in their right mind is going to pay $75k ... I foresee Walter Mitty is going to be taking a severe haircut and that's if he can unload it before the feds come to collect ...
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 04:43 PM
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Why would the Feds take it? It's legally registered in Mexico? I guess the crime is trying to sell it whole and not as parts.
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 04:46 PM
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IMHO even 75k titled is too much with all the issues going on. You will still be concerned that CBP/DOT/EPA come calling if you find yourself in an accident, insurance co. refuses to pay if vehicle stolen, etc.

I would love to have one and willing to pay if everything was legit, but not in today's climate unless someone could substantiate all federal approvals properly documented during importation.
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 04:58 PM
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Why would the Feds take it? It's legally registered in Mexico? I guess the crime is trying to sell it whole and not as parts.
18 USC 545 and/or 19 USC 1595. The fact that it is for sale, basically satisfies the intent element. Can be administratively forfeited.
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 06:08 PM
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18 USC 545 and/or 19 USC 1595. The fact that it is for sale, basically satisfies the intent element. Can be administratively forfeited.
Makes sense
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 06:18 PM
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Makes sense
It does? I wasn't even sure it was in English!
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 06:36 PM
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People like this, who bring trucks across the border illegally and then trying to SELL them are the root of the problem. Completely screws all of us folks that would love to have a puma, and are willing to pay for them, as long as we do it legally. I got too damn much to lose. I see it a lot like dealing with the IRS, the likelihood of being audited is low, but when they come calling you better have your $hit straight.
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 06:43 PM
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18 USC 545 and/or 19 USC 1595. The fact that it is for sale, basically satisfies the intent element. Can be administratively forfeited.
Thought you said land rover imports wasn't your bag baby ?

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Old September 23rd, 2013, 07:10 PM
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It does? I wasn't even sure it was in English!
Jason- he's saying the fact that the truck is here and has circumvented the import process and avoided customs duty breaks the law and sites the statute. The fact that its for sale confirms/constitutes the illegal intent. Title 19 of US Code is all about Customs.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/USC...nt-detail.html

Section 18 is about crimes and criminal procedure, section 545 is all about smuggling.
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Whoever knowingly and willfully, with intent to defraud the United States, smuggles, or clandestinely introduces or attempts to smuggle or clandestinely introduce into the United States any merchandise which should have been invoiced, or makes out or passes, or attempts to pass, through the customhouse any false, forged, or fraudulent invoice, or other document or paper; or
Whoever fraudulently or knowingly imports or brings into the United States, any merchandise contrary to law, or receives, conceals, buys, sells, or in any manner facilitates the transportation, concealment, or sale of such merchandise after importation, knowing the same to have been imported or brought into the United States contrary to law—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
Proof of defendant’s possession of such goods, unless explained to the satisfaction of the jury, shall be deemed evidence sufficient to authorize conviction for violation of this section.
Merchandise introduced into the United States in violation of this section, or the value thereof, to be recovered from any person described in the first or second paragraph of this section, shall be forfeited to the United States.
The term “United States”, as used in this section, shall not include the Virgin Islands, American Samoa, Wake Island, Midway Islands, Kingman Reef, Johnston Island, or Guam.

Methinks FedCop isn't as disinterested as he/she stated. Nothing wrong with CBP being on here, I have had two advance targeting officers mention this forum to me.
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Methinks FedCop isn't as disinterested as he/she stated
I saw some powerpoint slides on the subject; but no, it is not my primary area of interest. I only posted, since for once I had something intelligent to say.
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Old September 23rd, 2013, 07:30 PM
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It doesn't make sense even though I sort of agree someone may do it...

well let's see...75K for an illegal vehicle then swap parts? By the time you are done you are at over 100K... for what?

You take on all the risk...financial and legal.
If someone could afford it, and really wanted a new 110, this is about the only option. I don't know that they'd need to swap much more than the VIN plates?

I agree it's spendy and stupid, but that often doesn't stop people...
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