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Old July 17th, 2013, 03:38 PM
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1997 D90 LE 112/300 - Converted to Soft Top

Not mine...interesting combination, turning one of the 300 special Limited Edition 1997's into a soft top. It looks like instead of switching the front A-pillar windshield section of the Safety Devices cage to the proper soft top type, they ended up just cutting off the ends of the bars above the driver and passenger doors, and BENDING them down to meet the B pillar soft top cage extensions. Ladder and rack also missing. And some other random stuff.

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Item location: Jasper, Georgia, United States

Starting Bid: $45,000

Buy it Now Price: $49,999

Mileage: 53,000

VIN: SALDV324XVA124534

Plaque: 112/300

Remarks from Seller:

One of a kind 1997 Defender 90 LE 112/300 Softop, Garage and Carport kept, Excellent running, XD9000i Warn Winch, factory diamond plating hood, sides and rear, factory air works great, 4 bucket seats rear and removable bench seat, black powder coated factory wheels, gator foam lined interior floor boards, Badger Coachworks softop, wrap-around front brush guard with 2 hella lights center, four fold down hella lights top roll bar, Purchased Land Rover Buckhead, Atlanta, GA in 2001 and owned since. Map light, Lev-o-guage, factory 6-disc changer. No body rust. Tow package.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 07:56 PM
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I've never seen it and I go through Jasper all the time...
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Old July 18th, 2013, 06:29 AM
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Not mine...interesting combination, turning one of the 300 special Limited Edition 1997's into a soft top. It looks like instead of switching the front A-pillar windshield section of the Safety Devices cage to the proper soft top type, they ended up just cutting off the ends of the bars above the driver and passenger doors, and BENDING them down to meet the B pillar soft top cage extensions. Ladder and rack also missing. And some other random stuff.

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Item location: Jasper, Georgia, United States

Starting Bid: $45,000

Buy it Now Price: $49,999

Mileage: 53,000

VIN: SALDV324XVA124534

Plaque: 112/300

Remarks from Seller:

One of a kind 1997 Defender 90 LE 112/300 Softop, Garage and Carport kept, Excellent running, XD9000i Warn Winch, factory diamond plating hood, sides and rear, factory air works great, 4 bucket seats rear and removable bench seat, black powder coated factory wheels, gator foam lined interior floor boards, Badger Coachworks softop, wrap-around front brush guard with 2 hella lights center, four fold down hella lights top roll bar, Purchased Land Rover Buckhead, Atlanta, GA in 2001 and owned since. Map light, Lev-o-guage, factory 6-disc changer. No body rust. Tow package.
This truck is very nice.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 10:20 PM
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Just bought this truck. Great shape. Seller was very solid citizen and super helpful. Truck arrived in New Orleans this evening. I am sure you all will be hearing from this newbie.
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Old August 26th, 2013, 10:29 PM
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Just bought this truck. Great shape. Seller was very solid citizen and super helpful. Truck arrived in New Orleans this evening. I am sure you all will be hearing from this newbie.
sickkk truck no question!
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Old August 27th, 2013, 08:15 AM
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Congrats! Did you just find this thread, or did you see it before you purchased it? It looks like that cage needs a little love, but otherwise looks nice.
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Old August 27th, 2013, 09:04 PM
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Just bought this truck. Great shape. Seller was very solid citizen and super helpful. Truck arrived in New Orleans this evening. I am sure you all will be hearing from this newbie.
Beautiful truck,Congrats. Hit those center caps with some black paint though. Post some pictures, softop off. That's gotta look killer.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:48 PM
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Congrats! Did you just find this thread, or did you see it before you purchased it? It looks like that cage needs a little love, but otherwise looks nice.
Just found this thread ... been lurking on this site digging up info. Great resource! Working up list of things that I want to do to truck.

One thing that I can't quite understand (and I have no doubt that someone here will tell me about) is they questions about the cage needing love. I haven't seen a ton of these trucks but the cage is in great shape especially considering that it was a conversion.

Truck runs smoothly and tow mechanics are impressed with it.

I will post more on the projects page when I get my list together (ordered stainless oil cooler lines already).

Thanks

------ Follow up post added September 2nd, 2013 09:48 PM ------

Should have written "two mechanics" rather than two mechanics.

------ Follow up post added September 2nd, 2013 09:49 PM ------

Wow. I am good at this typing / spelling stuff.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 08:16 AM
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I'm actually talking about this. It looks like when they did the conversion from SW/Hard top to ST/Soft Top, that they didn't update all of the cage components, and instead just bent the front section of the cage DOWN to meet the rest of the cage.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 09:27 AM
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Yep, should install the proper front roll cage hoop.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 10:17 AM
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One thing that I can't quite understand (and I have no doubt that someone here will tell me about) is they questions about the cage needing love. I haven't seen a ton of these trucks but the cage is in great shape especially considering that it was a conversion.
I also mentioned the cage issue in the second sentence at the beginning of this thread.

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It looks like instead of switching the front A-pillar windshield section of the Safety Devices cage to the proper soft top type, they ended up just cutting off the ends of the bars above the driver and passenger doors, and BENDING them down to meet the B pillar soft top cage extensions. Ladder and rack also missing. And some other random stuff.
Here are some examples that show how much higher the A portion of the cage (A is the windshield section, B pillar is the cage portion behind the front seats, and the C pillar is the rear-most cage portion) for a SW is vs. the ST windshield section. If I was you I'd look at the rest of the cage to see if they cut any other corners on the install of that cage, because this one is pretty obvious. The B section looks like it **may** be leaning forward a little as well, which would mean that the diagonals aren't seated on the tub properly either. Hard to tell from just pics though.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 12:27 PM
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Thanks for the input. These seems like more aesthetic considerations than safety or performance issuse - especially as it will be more of a great looking daily driver than a Mt. Everest climbing expedition assault vehicle.

Appreciate the comments. You'll be hearing more from me....

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Old September 3rd, 2013, 04:01 PM
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Roll cages are engineered. Any changes in geometry compromise their integrity. Since they are there to protect you in a rollover, thats a safety matter. Having said that, as a dd it most likely won't matter.
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I'm actually talking about this. It looks like when they did the conversion from SW/Hard top to ST/Soft Top, that they didn't update all of the cage components, and instead just bent the front section of the cage DOWN to meet the rest of the cage.
wow, good find J!
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 04:39 PM
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Thanks for the input. These seems like more aesthetic considerations than safety or performance issuse - especially as it will be more of a great looking daily driver than a Mt. Everest climbing expedition assault vehicle.

Appreciate the comments. You'll be hearing more from me....

Corky
All we can do here is offer our best advice and hope you consider it in your decision-making process. No matter if it will be used for Mt. Everest or The Mall of America, the rollcages were built with safety and rigidity in mind. I guess here is the necessary breakdown: it's not only unappealing aesthetically, but with safety in mind it may also not perform as intended. Considering your seatbelts are attached to that B pillar that may or may not be bolted in correctly, and is half-assed installed into the A pillar which likely gives it its forward rigidity in the event of a crash, it would probably be something I'd look into rather than just brush off as an aesthetic observation.

Also, if you ever attempy to put a roof rack on there which originally came with that vehicle anyway, it would probably neither fit properly nor hold much weight with that bend since the main support for that rack up front comes from the crossbars which mount to that section above your doors.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 09:38 PM
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Thanks for taking the time to explain. So, if I understand what you are recommending, I should get someone qualified to a) examine the conversion to be sure that nothing was done to compromise the safety, structural integrity of the bars and b) if the above examination proves that safety/structure was compromised, replace/ repair as needed.

So the question is, what sort of professional will be able to reliably look things over?

Thanks as always for your time.

------ Follow up post added September 3rd, 2013 08:40 PM ------

One more question... From where does one source the front roll cage hoop?

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Old September 3rd, 2013, 10:11 PM
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Corkey,
Just pay someone $200 to cut the feet off the front cage, grind them clean, then reweld at the right spot lowering the front hoop so the bars over the window are horizontal. Might as well repaint all the bars to be uniform. Then it will be good as new.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:07 PM
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Corkey,
Just pay someone $200 to cut the feet off the front cage, grind them clean, then reweld at the right spot lowering the front hoop so the bars over the window are horizontal. Might as well repaint all the bars to be uniform. Then it will be good as new.
Nice truck.
Thanks Russell - sounds straightforward enough. Guess I'd need to get the bars bent back to level once the front hoop is lowered. Weird that the place that did the conversion which i checked out (seemed competant) would have skimped on this part - I'll bet the whole conversion was $5k in '01. Something to thiink about anyway.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:10 PM
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Just to give you an idea of the worth... A set of original NAS soft top rolecage bars was listed at 6500 a few weeks ago... Just the parts... Most of them used.
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