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Old May 6th, 2012, 11:20 PM
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1994 Land Rover Defender #1524, one of the best still existing?

This vehicle is potentially about to go on E-bay but I'm still pondering the idea. I bought this for 28k in 2006 (Kelly blue book at the time) and put 40k into it since purchasing it. What do you think it's worth?
Here is all I've done:
Mechanical...
New 4.6 liter engine in 2008 (can't even got one of these at this time as engine manu. went out of biz) 20k miles on it
Newly rebuilt transmission (trans. was originally manual, converted to auto and then rebuilt days ago)
New fuel system to include fuel pump
New brakes and brake pads
New exhaust system from front to end
Complete electrical overhaul
New shocks and springs
All new belts and hoses
New oil pump
Gas tank reconditioned
Cosmetic....
Full paint restoration
New Toyo MT tires, (all 5)
New windshield
Roofrack from Urban Offroad
Snorkel
4k marine stereo system with dual Alpine amps, 7 speakers and sub
New marine upholstery
New Land Rover raised plastic lettering
totally unique diamond plated roof rack flooring so that any 7x4 or smaller tent can be pitched on the roof! my invention, patent. 5743765 . (pic below)
Lots of diamondplating
New Nerbars
Hella offroad lighting
Newly painted hinges
Not a single part missing, broken or compromised
Way too much additional stuff to list.

I have crazy OCD. I have spent so much time and money making this thing ridiculous. But she is my baby and I'm super proud of her. I can't go anywhere without being stopped and asked. There is no cooler type of car to own. Check out pics below. Also featured in Land Rover Magazine in 2009
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Old May 6th, 2012, 11:41 PM
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Very nice! Worth, now that's an intersting question...it's all perspective, right? I think its worth 34k to 38k. Very nice, hopefully it will be bought by someone who'll look after her the way you do!
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Old May 7th, 2012, 07:20 AM
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Many non standard upgrades that may detract from price since they were not original to the truck, engine, transmission. So you would not get a collector. On the other hand many of the upgrades are desirable to the guy/gal that wants a nice truck. Looks like the Auto conversion was done nicely. It is a hard market right now. I would list it on some of the higher end sites before Ebay. Did you call Copley?
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Old May 7th, 2012, 07:42 AM
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At the end of the day it's still a 1994 with what...115-120k miles with a sagging suspension? High $20s if you want to sell it; maybe low $30s if you're lucky and you list it in the mid $30s and sit on it.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:30 AM
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Wrong t-case shifter and I think it will need a new ignition switch
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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:47 AM
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It's a nice 90 but it not very stock. Many are turned off by that. I would post a price what you are willing to sell it here to stick to forum rules.

A "collector" would look elsewhere. Somone looking for a DD/trail rig may have interest.

If it was Arles Blue, I would probably offer you maybe $28-30K

Do a little research here and you will see 90s like yours sold for around that. Good luck with the sale. Personally I wouldn't sell something that you put that much money into unless I had to.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 09:32 AM
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patent number is wrong ... unless mounting tents is related to electrical connector design ..

'can't even got one of these at this time as engine manu. went out of biz' - reassuring to know when i need to get spare parts!

I'd think carefully about the wording of your ad .. nice looking truck ... but many things you consider positive - because the cost $$$ are actually considered negatives because they detract from the originality.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 10:47 AM
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30k push or shove it will sell. Non-rusty 1994 with 100k plus, but goodies and the 4.6/auto
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Old May 7th, 2012, 11:07 AM
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Nice truck, GLWTS.

BTW - If you are atempting to fetch top dollar, follow the "the less is more" adage. Posting that "it was one of the few parts that has yet to fail" and "based on a dozen or so breakdowns and AAA tows", it could be construed as a lemon now matter how nice it is.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 11:31 AM
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I get more confused each time you post, haha.

Yesterday afternoon:
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Anyway ... there were a lot of people with opinions on price and I'm not selling mine so I'm not a competitor ...

Late last night:
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This vehicle is potentially about to go on E-bay but I'm still pondering the idea. I bought this for 28k in 2006 (Kelly blue book at the time) and put 40k into it since purchasing it. What do you think it's worth?
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Old May 7th, 2012, 12:25 PM
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Moved to the flea market since it's a feeler for price.

FWIW, If I spent $17k on an engine I'd certainly replace the radiator as well.

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Old May 7th, 2012, 12:35 PM
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thanks all

I appreciate the feedback. sagging suspension you say, I will have to look into that, any advice on how that is corrected? Is that leaf springs? Would a 2 inch lift in the back correct that. Somebody said might need a new ignition coil? Just got one a year ago. What would make you say that. And sorry for confusing posts. It's true I'm not really looking to sell, I just wanted opinions on price. Good points on attracting serious collectors, I just think that all it takes is the right buyer on ebay to fetch a very good price, perhaps much higher than what you even might think that you could get.

Lastly, yes you might think it's a lemon if it's had so many things replaced but the good news here is that nothing has failed twice. The same problem over and over, that's a lemon. But a car that is 118k miles that has engine, then transmission, then fuel pump, then brakes, then ignition coil, then this that and the other thing. Well that I would think is called a lot of stuff failing due to 18 years of wear and tear. But the good news here is it's all now replaced and running as strongly as ever.

I'm not afraid of a little debate. I even appreciate those who've spoken their mind and said things that I probably didn't want to hear.

Cheers all,

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Old May 7th, 2012, 12:43 PM
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Is that leaf springs?
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Good luck with sale. I will say that if you have spent 40K on upgrades you should know if you truck has leaf springs or not.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 12:45 PM
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I could lay out the cost of everything for you. I do not know a ton about suspension but have a guy and will have him look at it. I can do just about anything in this world unless it's car related. I am proud to say that I swapped out the headlights on my own and I can also detail the hell out of a car. engines, electricity, plumbing, those are my stumbling blocks.
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it does not have leaf springs, you probably just need to change out the springs..
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Old May 7th, 2012, 12:58 PM
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Yeah, you have a saggy rear end for sure. See attached.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 01:02 PM
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Nice Ride...Just cured by "Saggy Rear" with some Old Man Emu Springs and Shocks...and gained a few more inches...wicked tracking...and looks sweet!
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Yeah, you have a saggy rear end for sure. See attached.
I don't know if they are sagging or not. Might be the driveway angle. The front "eyebrow" arches are higher than the rear on the truck to begin with so straight lines really can't tell for sure as they aren't aligned if the springs were sagging or not.

But the rear does look a little down.
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Old May 7th, 2012, 02:08 PM
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Yeah, but it also looks like (from a few pics including this one) that the distance between the bottom of the eyebrow arches and the top of the tire is greater in the front than in the back, right?
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Yeah, but it also looks like (from a few pics including this one) that the distance between the bottom of the eyebrow arches and the top of the tire is greater in the front than in the back, right?
yup the distance from the front tire to bottom of eyebrow is more than the rear always if your springs are set up correct in terms of no sagging or anything. Its very minor, maybe 1/2" but if you go to your car and actually draw a straight line from the top of the aches you will see the front is slightly higher.

I think its actually part of Land Rover's design language throughout the models. MKIII, LR3, Disco, RRC, Series all have a slight difference in the wheel arches.

But again, yes you might be right. from the photo given it does look like its slightly sagging in the back. Sorry to get off topic
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