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Non-ABS RRC hubs?

Someone here may know...

So I'm replacing the 3rds and axles in my non-ABS '91 Range Rover with the 3rds and axles from my ABS '91.

First time I've torn into the non-ABS truck.

First off, the drive flange bolts are smaller on the non-ABS truck so my question is...

Can I just run the ABS hubs on my non-ABS truck?
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Old November 6th, 2013, 10:05 AM
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Can I just run the ABS hubs on my non-ABS truck?
Yes, as long as the stubs are right for the hub bearing distance.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 10:17 AM
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What is the hub bearing distance?

Worst case---I have to change the spindles as well?
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Old November 6th, 2013, 10:21 AM
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Maybe just move the stubs over as well just to be on the safe side.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 11:32 AM
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OK, thanks.

Now that I've got both off side-by-side, the inter bearing distance on the non-ABS hubs is bigger---requiring longer stub axles.

Looks like I'll just try and move the stub axles over too.

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When you say non-ABS, it usually refers to the mushroom capped axles. Doesnt the 91'(hunter) use a broached drive flange like the ABS RRC, an later Disco/D-90?

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Hunter has the mushroom axles.
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Stub axles

ABS on left--non ABS on right
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Old November 6th, 2013, 11:55 AM
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BTW, one other little tidbit for anyone putting D90 3rds in a RRClassic....the axle housing requires longer studs.
You have to replace those short studs at the 2-4-8-10 o'clock position because the 90 3rd flange is thicker.
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Good to know.

So did you actually break and axle or CV, or are you just swapping to 24spline diffs?

-Jeff
Swapping in 24 spline ARBs w/ 4.11 gearing and some 9 year old GBR axles!
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Also, I recommend changing to a magnet diff drain plug.
If you're changing 3rds or just draining the oil, put in a magnet plug.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 07:19 PM
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Have you considered a weld on pipe cap in place of the stock sheetmetal cover?

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No, I'm not that kind of hardcore wheeler. I mostly webwheel and spin yarns around the campfire at eastcoast events. LOL


Now, on a serioooous note...the rear end is almost ready to put back together. The 3rd is in..(gud lawd that thing is heavy...)
I'll use the ABS stub axles + hubs to reassemble.


Anyone know about the front end??
Are non-ABS swivels/mushroom axles all different?

My question is...if I have to tear down the front axle to removing the swivels/3rd/axle/cvs.....it may actually be easier to just unbolt the entire housing and swap it over!!!
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Old November 6th, 2013, 07:42 PM
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Oh I know they're different...I'm already running non-ABS 2522 Ashcroft cv's in the ABS swivels.
http://www.ashcroft-transmissions.co...od&productId=3

But can I pull the mushrooms/cvs + inners out and swap these in?
Using the matching stub axles and hubs of course...
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That's right...I forgot about those needle bearings!
I already put the bronze bushings in my front stub axles(on the ABS truck) about 9 years ago.
Guess I'll see how they look when I pull the front end apart tomorrow...
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Old November 7th, 2013, 07:29 PM
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Got the rear end back together.
"Right Stuff" gasket maker.
Old Skool GBR axles back in...

Old drive flange bolts on the left---ABS bolts on right==bigger
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Old November 7th, 2013, 07:40 PM
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Yes,'91 County was the donor.

Got the front end apart down to the stub axle....

I hate swivel grease!

It looks like the Hunter used ABS swivels with mushroom style axles.
Test fitting to follow...

Look at those clean swivel housings!

And Briggs, no needle bearings in the non-ABS Hunter!?!

And what is it with those Land Rover gaskets? They take 30 mins to scrape off.
It's like the worst wallpaper you ever had to remove.
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Angle grinder with a wire wheel will whip that old gasket off in about two minutes.
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1.Mushroom axle and hub off;CV still in swivel.
2.CV gone; inner shaft and swivel covered in goopy one-shot grease.
3.Tearing down the donor truck was hard---its like saying goodbye forever.
Also found out I was missing a brake caliper bolt...
4.With the drive flange cap removed you can see how these axles(AEU2522) stick out further.
5.Ashcroft CV ready to come out of donor.
6.Both axles/cvs out of donor truck. Both had rust spots on the middle of the axle. They got grease on the entire length for reassembly.
7. CVs looked good.
8. Splines looked good.
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This was a 3 cigar weekend...


When you put D90 3rd members into a RR Classic you will have to replace 4 of the axle housing studs because the RR 3rd has a thinner flange.
Short studs next to longer studs.
Just put one of the nuts on and knock the studs out of the housing. Put your longer ones in and use a sleeve and nut and tighten the new longer studs into the housing.
Do this before wresting a heavy-ass 3rd into place with Right Stuff goop all over your hands and then finding out that 4 of your bolts are not long enough to put a nut on.
I found this out 10 years ago....

Short-Long studs ----- D90 3rd housing with thicker flange
Range Rover thin flange -------- Truck is waiting!
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Old November 10th, 2013, 10:55 PM
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I originally bought Keith Kreutzer/Rovertracks axles back in 2003 and promptly broke 2 of them. They were the hefty 2522 cv size but There may have been some bad batches back then. He was good about it; Then I got the Ashcrofts and have been fine ever since.

1.ABS spindle/stub axle with bronze bushing I got from Keith 10 years ago-still good!
2.CV in, hub on and tight.
3.These are Maxi Drive flanges with Right Stuff sealer. That way if the bolts break, Right Stuff will still hold the flange to the hub and provide drive.
4.Shims and C-clip
5.Installed.
6.Wheel replaced.
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Does anyone know where I can source a replacement brass compression fitting---the really small one--for the ARB air line where it fits in the diff housing??



What I mean is, if anyone has sourced one of these at Lowes,Home Depot, Ace, etc...

I need it by tonight.
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get it done!!!! See ya tomorrow Jeff
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