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Old October 12th, 2016, 01:20 AM
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Aux Heat thoughts

I need more heat. For you northerners, or desert rats (cold at night) there is a new player in the diesel heater market.

The Planar 2D-12 is becoming popular here. NorCal van hippies discovered this in the US a while back. Planar are under $500 on Amazon. Russian made, so you know they stole a good design!

• Heat output; kW (BTU): 0.8-1.8.0 (2,700-6,200)
• Fuel consumption; l/h (gal/h): 0.10-0.24 (0.03-0.06)
• Nominal supply voltage; V: 12 or 24
• Power consumption; W (A): 10-29 (0.8-2.42)
• Air flow rate; m3/h: 34-75
• Weight; kg: 7.0
• L x D x H; mm: 324 x 118 x 119
• Operating modes: Temperature/Power

Decent BTU output. Comes with control, hook up hardware, etc.
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So I am thinking of the Nakatanenga under console/cubby frame. Good airflow in and out (duct the outputs), raises console to useable height, adds capability for other accessories.
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All I know is it is getting cold AF here in Germany already, and the Mr.Buddy does not seem yhe wisest choice for a moving vehicle.

Thoughts? (besides "don't be a pussy, man up..")
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Old October 12th, 2016, 06:57 AM
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Really curious about the name Tenega cubby frame. How much of that drops into the seat box over the trans? Do you happen to know the dimensions?


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Old October 12th, 2016, 11:05 AM
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Interesting blog showing use of the nagatenaga (sp?) box for just such an install.

http://www.adventure-continued.com/webasto-air-heater/
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Old October 12th, 2016, 12:20 PM
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Good catch. The Webasto and Eberspacher (Espar in US) are 3x the price of the Planar.

Too bad he did not post a follow up - good or bad.

Nakatanenga.de website has the dimensions.
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Old October 12th, 2016, 12:46 PM
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Thoughts? (besides "don't be a pussy, man up..")
I'm guessing from your local that you have a diesel. I'm also assuming it produces less heat than the NAS V8's do.

Maybe a combination of a radiator Muff, and a Drop Curtain behind the second row (or even front row if you don't really carry passengers in the back) would be enough?

The NAS V8 seems to put out a good amount of heat, and using a drop curtain behind the seats of a 90 can make it pretty toasty..

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...tml#post480152

http://www.defendersource.com/forum/...ble-47722.html
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Old October 12th, 2016, 01:16 PM
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I'm considering this or a webasto because my commute isn't long enough to heat the coolant and get heat. However, in sub zero temps it's a long enough commute that I need heat! A forced air heater is the best solution in this case. A drop curtain, blower upgrade, etc won't help.
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I'd go aux heater in a heartbeat, it also allows you to run it when you run into a store or I am sure would aid in defrosting a vehicle (I imagine it would be pretty easy to hook into a remote)
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I'm considering this or a webasto because my commute isn't long enough to heat the coolant and get heat. However, in sub zero temps it's a long enough commute that I need heat! A forced air heater is the best solution in this case. A drop curtain, blower upgrade, etc won't help.

Look into Webasto coolant heaters. Can get remote or phone app. Dial-a-toasty ride.
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Old October 12th, 2016, 02:36 PM
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it is quite a bit cheaper on Amazon than on their website $460 https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...6297113&sr=8-5
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The beauty of any of these fuel fired heaters are they can run when the engine is not running.

I am working on a center console that contains a small heater AC combo unit that will direct hot or cold air to the center and rear passengers.
This unit requires the engine to be running to supply hot coolant or AC refrigerant to operate.
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The beauty of any of these fuel fired heaters are they can run when the engine is not running.

I am working on a center console that contains a small heater AC combo unit that will direct hot or cold air to the center and rear passengers.
This unit requires the engine to be running to supply hot coolant or AC refrigerant to operate.
Is this in the same queue as the MERC hydraulic engine mounts for a 300 TDI
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Is this in the same queue as the MERC hydraulic engine mounts for a 300 TDI
You know it and 200TDI as well.
Seems like every time I get a chance to work on one of these projects, something breaks and attention has to shift.
Weekend before last, set up a 145 watt solar panel and was thinking about how to wire it up for camping use.
I actually said out loud "it is so nice to not be fixing a broken Land Rover".
The very next second my son called with a stranded 110.
Threw a tool bag in the other 110 and headed in his direction.
3 hours later it was dark and had to put the panel away, but the 110 our son was driving was up and running.
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I thought I'd add for those planning on doing a webasto install, I was having a heck of a time finding proper accessories including vents, tees, and duct here in the US. I found suremarine.com which had everything I needed at reasonable pricing from one place. Thought I'd pass it along.


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I thought I'd add for those planning on doing a webasto install, I was having a heck of a time finding proper accessories including vents, tees, and duct here in the US. I found suremarine.com which had everything I needed at reasonable pricing from one place. Thought I'd pass it along.


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Super helpful, thanks for posting that!
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Old October 12th, 2016, 08:42 PM
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Interesting, when do you expect to have details?

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The beauty of any of these fuel fired heaters are they can run when the engine is not running.

I am working on a center console that contains a small heater AC combo unit that will direct hot or cold air to the center and rear passengers.
This unit requires the engine to be running to supply hot coolant or AC refrigerant to operate.
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With summer over need to get time to get mine installed, was looking to source a few parts and while on ebay found these ... thought I would share

$140 for a rebuilt Airtop ... granted these are older models, but so are our trucks

Webasto Airtop 2000s D Heater PDC0063 01002665 9014839C | eBay
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Just mount them under the second row seat on a 110. Works fine.
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wow...thanks guys...this info is great!
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With summer over need to get time to get mine installed, was looking to source a few parts and while on ebay found these ... thought I would share

$140 for a rebuilt Airtop ... granted these are older models, but so are our trucks

Webasto Airtop 2000s D Heater PDC0063 01002665 9014839C | eBay
Will these work for any engine? Looks like these are electric units.

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With summer over need to get time to get mine installed, was looking to source a few parts and while on ebay found these ... thought I would share

$140 for a rebuilt Airtop ... granted these are older models, but so are our trucks

Webasto Airtop 2000s D Heater PDC0063 01002665 9014839C | eBay
Will these work for any engine, I have a 3.5 V8? Looks like these are electric units.
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Will these work for any engine? Looks like these are electric units.

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Will these work for any engine, I have a 3.5 V8? Looks like these are electric units.

They are for diesel, the company selling them is Schneider Trucks Dot Com, pull them out of semi's and refurbish. They are designed for over night sleeping so they don't have to run the semi all night to stay warm. Runs off diesel and the battery. They do make gas versions I believe, but these are all going to be diesel I would guess. Cheers.
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