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Old August 15th, 2014, 12:20 PM
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I love that picture. When it was posted I laughed for a few and saved it for times like these.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 12:44 PM
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Actually that picture was a setup, just messing with you guys. The little bloke is a good mate of Doug's in fact he was at Conclave last year.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 05:24 PM
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FWIW since this thread is supposed to be about 200's. I had a client 110 come in with a broken timing belt.
As we all know these are interference engines . I told the guy we could try putting new push rods in, (they were bent up like a bundle of snakes- had to use a claw hammer and a block of wood to pull them out) install a new belt kit and see what happened. Since removing the head has nothing to do with the front cover or timing belt this seemed like the most financially expedient route. Truck seems to run fine. The fact that the valves are perpendicular in the head and meet the piston top squarely apparently makes it so they aren't likely to bend. I spent some time reading up on this on other forums and some guys in the UK were saying they have broken 3 belts and never had to pull the cyl head. I found myself in awe that anyone could be so unintelligent as to have broken three belts but that's another matter.
Having had similar experiences with 200TDI timing belts, the valves generally remain in tact unless you are traveling at highway speeds, then the piston will break off a valve and chew it until it locks the engine, always bending the rod.

Lack of maintenance catches up with most engines, but broken TDI belts are always a gamble.

In this case an amazing gamble X3.

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I still don't understand the logic behind spending $5000 on a kit to install a $500 engine with 300,000 miles on it.
Just for the record, we built 12 Mercedes OM617 kits thinking they would take a year to sell.
They all sold out in 6 weeks and depending on the model cost $3,200 or $3,550 (NOT $5,000).
The logic is that the engine will usually run flawlessly for well over a million miles and run on anything flammable while doing it.

Got an email about a year ago from a guy in South America that had a business changing hydraulic oils in plants.
His Mercedes OM617 powered G-Class had over 1.5 million miles on it and he drove it exclusively on the used hydraulic oil he drained out of plant machenery.
That sounds to me like a well oiled machine!

Here is some interesting records set by the OM617 for everyone's reading pleasure thken from [http://www.diseno-art.com/encycloped...z_C_111.html]:
In 1976, due to the oil crisis and the need for more frugal engines, Mercedes-Benz engineers installed a three-liter diesel engine with five cylinders in the C 111-II for the first tests. In the car, now called C 111-IID, the OM 617 LA engine developed as much as 190 hp, thanks to turbocharging and intercooling, as opposed to the 80 hp output of the production engine which powered the Mercedes-Benz 240 D 3.0. In June 1976, the Mercedes-Benz C 111-IID reached spectacular speeds on the test track at Nardo near Lecce in Italy. In the course of 60 hours, four drivers established a total of 16 world records – thirteen of these applying to diesel-engined cars and three to cars in general, irrespective of their type of engine. During the tests, an average speed of 156 mph (252 km/h) was recorded.

In 1977, encouraged by the record breaking C 111-IID, Mercedes-Benz set about creating a car designed specifically for establishing speed records. Designated the Mercedes-Benz C 111-III the new car was narrower than the first C 111, had a longer wheelbase and improved aerodynamic properties, thanks to complete streamlining and rear airfoils. The 230 horsepower diesel engine managed to propel the C 111-III to over 186 mph (300 km/h). With this new car Mercedes-Benz established nine absolute world records in the late 1970s.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 06:06 PM
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OK - So….how often do you replace timing belts? 60K?

What if anything other than replace, can you do to ensure it doesn't break? (apart from not driving it )
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I do 50K miles.
On the 200TDI, it is a big job.
You have to tear the front off the engine making it a whole weekend chore.
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ok - let me know when you have a free weekend
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OK - So….how often do you replace timing belts? 60K?

What if anything other than replace, can you do to ensure it doesn't break? (apart from not driving it )
5yrs or 50k miles-whichever comes first. The truck I just fixed had less than 25k on the belt but it was @ least 6yrs old.

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I do 50K miles.
On the 200TDI, it is a big job.
You have to tear the front off the engine making it a whole weekend chore.
And the disco version is more of a pita than the defender one. Of course this was a disco engine.

The disco version the ps pump bracket bolts into the cover that must be removed so you have to remove the alternator and ps pump as well.
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Old August 15th, 2014, 06:57 PM
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It depends of the shoulders of the wheels and their offset in line.
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Anon:
I have exhaust pictures for you.
Send me a PM with your email address.
Hopefully these will help you.
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[QUOTE=Uncle Douglas;556410]5yrs or 50k miles-whichever comes first. The truck I just fixed had less than 25k on the belt but it was @ least 6yrs old.

As an aside from memory...correct me if I'm wrong,it's 5 yrs or 100,000kms,which ever comes first.

It also pays to use a Dayco belt. Bearmach sell a good OEM timing kit as opposed to a main stealer kit.








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