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Old April 9th, 2015, 02:34 AM
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Any body have rough estimates on cost. I realize that is a broad questions. But lets say everything is either cleaned up, replaced or rebuilt. Things like paint, new window seals, new interior carpets, seat covers and so forth.
Time and materials. When you think about how much you can do in a 40-hour work week (40 hours gets burned up fast when you have to touch every part on a truck), it's hard to imagine that you could do "everything" (it would be a limited definition of "everything") in less than 250 hours. That is 18-25000 at normal shop rates just in labor and then you need to pay for all the parts and materials. It is easy to spend 40-50k on what you're describing. You should also be wary of anyone who will sit back and give you a blanket quote, because they tend to underbid whether they're trying to get your business or because they feel bad quoting really high numbers. It's better to pay full-bore and not have someone drag their feet on a project because they're not making any money.

Just FYI - When I did a engine swap and re-chassis on my 90, it took me 250-300 hours and I was going slow and learning the whole time. I didn't paint the truck. I'm guessing a shop would have billed 150 hours or so assuming they were organized to do a chassis swap in an efficient manner.

My 110 took about 500 hours of my personal time. Again, I had the constraints of not working in a professional shop and learning some things as I went along, but in this case I truly touched "everything" and rebuilt or replaced every single part on the truck.

With respect to estimating what I would spend on parts, the first time I budgeted 10k and spent over 20k. The second time I figured I could do it for 20 and spent 30. So at least my margin of estimating error decreased...
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Old April 9th, 2015, 06:49 AM
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Any body have rough estimates on cost. I realize that is a broad questions. But lets say everything is either cleaned up, replaced or rebuilt. Things like paint, new window seals, new interior carpets, seat covers and so forth.
Ask Land Rover. They do this every day at the factory!
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time and materials. When you think about how much you can do in a 40-hour work week (40 hours gets burned up fast when you have to touch every part on a truck), it's hard to imagine that you could do "everything" (it would be a limited definition of "everything") in less than 250 hours. That is 18-25000 at normal shop rates just in labor and then you need to pay for all the parts and materials. It is easy to spend 40-50k on what you're describing. You should also be wary of anyone who will sit back and give you a blanket quote, because they tend to underbid whether they're trying to get your business or because they feel bad quoting really high numbers. It's better to pay full-bore and not have someone drag their feet on a project because they're not making any money.

Just fyi - when i did a engine swap and re-chassis on my 90, it took me 250-300 hours and i was going slow and learning the whole time. I didn't paint the truck. I'm guessing a shop would have billed 150 hours or so assuming they were organized to do a chassis swap in an efficient manner.

My 110 took about 500 hours of my personal time. Again, i had the constraints of not working in a professional shop and learning some things as i went along, but in this case i truly touched "everything" and rebuilt or replaced every single part on the truck.

With respect to estimating what i would spend on parts, the first time i budgeted 10k and spent over 20k. The second time i figured i could do it for 20 and spent 30. So at least my margin of estimating error decreased...
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Couldn't agree more with Jim's analysis.
The yellow 90 was a comprehensive refurbishing that stopped short of engine, transfer case, and diff overhauls. The body shop was over $3k in materials and 175 hours in prep/paint labor, and that excluded my labor to dismantle, transport, and reassembly with new stainless hardware, sound deadening, body gaskets, decals, etc..I had at least 500 hours.
Hope this helps as a reference point!
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I'm over $100K into my restoration including the cost of the truck. New engine/trans, axls, brakes, suspension, paint and interior, wiring etc. etc. It's no effing joke and we're not done yet. I'm 1 year into the process at this point and still a few months to go.

I've done a lot of projects and one thing I know to be true is "they're never done". Ha. I love it though.
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Couldn't agree more with Jim's analysis.
The yellow 90 was a comprehensive refurbishing that stopped short of engine, transfer case, and diff overhauls. The body shop was over $3k in materials and 175 hours in prep/paint labor, and that excluded my labor to dismantle, transport, and reassembly with new stainless hardware, sound deadening, body gaskets, decals, etc..I had at least 500 hours.
Hope this helps as a reference point!
Yep, as I recall this truck was in the same ballpark in terms of hours...
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I'm over $100K into my restoration including the cost of the truck. New engine/trans, axls, brakes, suspension, paint and interior, wiring etc. etc. It's no effing joke and we're not done yet. I'm 1 year into the process at this point and still a few months to go. I've done a lot of projects and one thing I know to be true is "they're never done". Ha. I love it though.
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Old April 9th, 2015, 02:02 PM
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well said!
Agree.

I have been looking at my restore as a learning experience and "billing" my hours as if I had to pay for school. I have learned how to TIG weld, work with metal, learning electrics now, and all the little things like installing a clutch. (I should saying learning as you never get to be 100% with TIG welding and metal fabrication)

I have found its the little things on these vehicles. I feel like I spend more time on the getting the right bolts or trying to find that one little part then some of the bigger items. So if you get an estimate for many hours or high dollar per hour charge from a really good shop think of the 80/20 rule.
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